Free: Contests & Raffles.
Quote from: PlateauNDN on October 31, 2011, 04:56:30 PMI was referring to Sovereignty Issues and through all your research you're telling me you never came upon any paperwork that showed you this? We are allowed to prosecute up to Gross Misdemeanors and everything above that statute is turned over to the Feds and prosecuted through Federal Court. If you are guilty in Federal Court you do Federal Prison, Misd's and below you do Tribal Jail.We are treated as a Sovereign Nation, why do you think we have to report to the Federal Government and not the State. There is no in between, when States or the Govt. want to deal with the Tribe they deal with the Tribal Council on a Government-to-Government basis. Why do you think the Govt. has the final say in what we do. Please quit....The tribes are not treated as a sovereign nation.... I don't have a nation status to compare the relationship, but it does not seem like a sovereign nation to me. Here is a definition from the web; The supreme, absolute, and uncontrollable power by which an independent state is governed and from which all specific political powers are derived; the intentional independence of a state, combined with the right and power of regulating its internal affairs without foreign interference.Sovereignty is the power of a state to do everything necessary to govern itself, such as making, executing, and applying laws; imposing and collecting taxes; making war and peace; and forming treaties or engaging in commerce with foreign nations. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Sovereign+nation You are using US made american cash in your daily transactions, you have no border control, you have no trade tarrifs of trade arrangements with the US and rather ignore our tax laws, we come in and put out your fires on tribal lands, the sheriff will make and arrest and prosecute felonies...etc...etc...etc... My point is, you are not a Sovereign nation so lets not call it that... EDIT, just found it: Domestic Dependent Nation Tribal sovereignty in the United States refers to the inherent authority of indigenous tribes to govern themselves within the borders of the United States of America. The federal government recognizes tribal nations as "domestic dependent nations" and has established a number of laws attempting to clarify the relationship between the federal, state, and tribal governments. The Constitution and later federal laws grant local sovereignty to tribal nations, yet do not grant full sovereignty equivalent to foreign nations, hence the term "domestic dependent nations".
I was referring to Sovereignty Issues and through all your research you're telling me you never came upon any paperwork that showed you this? We are allowed to prosecute up to Gross Misdemeanors and everything above that statute is turned over to the Feds and prosecuted through Federal Court. If you are guilty in Federal Court you do Federal Prison, Misd's and below you do Tribal Jail.We are treated as a Sovereign Nation, why do you think we have to report to the Federal Government and not the State. There is no in between, when States or the Govt. want to deal with the Tribe they deal with the Tribal Council on a Government-to-Government basis. Why do you think the Govt. has the final say in what we do.
well put indeed.
Quote from: Coastal_native on November 01, 2011, 09:05:08 AMwell put indeed.I promised I wouldn't do this but you leave me no choice. We need to start talking about the buck:doe ratio.
The difference between you and me is I live and breathe who I am and I'm a Yakama and proud of it. I was born and raised here and with the exception of the last couple of years and the time spent away in the Marines I've lived here all my life. I didn't need to take some class in college on Indian Studies to know who or what I am, I know what and who I am because my grandparents taught me that and just like them I'm teaching my children the same. Just because you THINK you know, "but it does not seem like a sovereign nation to me" doesn't mean you do know.
We can go back and forth if you'd like but at the end of the day just because you said it doesn't make it the Law of the Land and the Federal Govt. isn't going to change any time soon so as long as the Recognition is there by them, then the Tribes are still going to be SOVEREIGN and all we are going to have accomplished is bickering and complaining rather than finding solutions to the problems at hand.
724, if that's what you believe then okay. I beg to differ on your comment, "so far the indians on this site proclaim to do everything they can to keep things the way they are, yourself included. problem areas have been discussed, but solutions from the indian members are few and far between. when the non-indians propose a change, the stonewalling with the treaty begins anew. until indians accept there is a problem with the way the treaties and/or big game regulations are administered, there will be no end."When have I ever stated I wanted to keep things the way they are? Not once, I've stated many times, "as long as I'm breathing I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure the Treaty isn't abolished" but not once have I stated things remain the same. I've stated numerous times that things should be reviewed and updated as needed and somethings should be changed to better regulate the harvest.I've also stated that I am in no position of authority (Tribal Council) to make those changes and as far as I know nobody else on here is either. We didn't create, write or have a say in anything currently in the books but we do have a say now as to how things should be changed. I for one have voiced my distaste for the overharvesting of animals such as 9 bulls in one year or dumping salmon by the truckloads to rot. Do I know firsthand or witnessed the salmon wastage? No, I only know what I hear and until there is some proof, (i.e. video or pictures) then it is only speculation. Do I see the overharvesting of elk? Yes and No, do I agree with what they are doing, no I don't but as long as it's legal then there is nothing that can be done.
