nile paper says muck's shot 140+/- deer last weekend?

[colockumelk]

Okay so let me get this strait.  So you consider it "slaughtering" for a licensed hunter to kill 1 cow per licensed hunter, in an area that has WAY WAY too many cows per bull.  But.....

In the same area that is really hurting for bulls and has a bull to cow ratio 4 times lower than what it should be.  You think it is perfectly fine and NOT considered "slaughtering" for a tribal member to go into this same area and harvest multiple branch bulls.  Basically a tribal member can shoot as many branch bulls as they want.  No limit.  And you don't think that you're contradicting yourself?   

I'm literally blown away.  I'd love to hear your reasoning for this.  I really would.  I don't think you're gonna win this argument, I really don't.  And the term "slaughtering" is your term not mine.   I'm really trying to understand your reasoning and help you out.  But you're gonna have to come up with something else because you're not gonna gain much traction on this one.   

Gonna ignore this post directed at you are we? Your entitled to your opinion I am just curious wjy you feel this way.

[igotbigbulls]

Posted by: hunter360
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Quote from: igotbigbulls on Today at 11:18:04 AM
but whats unethical colock? a tribal member with 2 cow elk in their truck? or 2 bulls? or 3 deer? if you take a pic of a tribal member with 2 cows and a deer is that unethical?  just curious on the defintion of unethical. not trying to start anything just getting a consensus on the matter.

unethical is indians having anything more than what everyone else is allowed period. 

what is the limit on animals one state hunter can harvest? big game wise? one deer one elk? asking a legit question.

[colockumelk]

Posted by: hunter360
« on: Today at 11:32:19 AM » Insert Quote
Quote from: igotbigbulls on Today at 11:18:04 AM
but whats unethical colock? a tribal member with 2 cow elk in their truck? or 2 bulls? or 3 deer? if you take a pic of a tribal member with 2 cows and a deer is that unethical?  just curious on the defintion of unethical. not trying to start anything just getting a consensus on the matter.

unethical is indians having anything more than what everyone else is allowed period. 

what is the limit on animals one state hunter can harvest? big game wise? one deer one elk? asking a legit question.

The simple answer is yes.  1 elk and 1 deer.  As far as whether its a bull or cow or spike or 3pt min, or buck or doe or 3pt min or any buck it depends on the weapon, geography of the state and about a million other things.  But the simple answer is 1 elk and 1 deer. 

[JimmyHoffa]

  what is the limit on animals one state hunter can harvest? big game wise? one deer one elk? asking a legit question.

Depends on how lucky that person is with draws/raffles, the limit would be quite a bit.
But generally it would be one or two deer, one or two elk, two bear and one cougar.
But you leave out all the animals getting shot out of state/country too.

[hunter360]

Posted by: hunter360
« on: Today at 11:32:19 AM » Insert Quote
Quote from: igotbigbulls on Today at 11:18:04 AM
but whats unethical colock? a tribal member with 2 cow elk in their truck? or 2 bulls? or 3 deer? if you take a pic of a tribal member with 2 cows and a deer is that unethical?  just curious on the defintion of unethical. not trying to start anything just getting a consensus on the matter.

unethical is indians having anything more than what everyone else is allowed period. 

what is the limit on animals one state hunter can harvest? big game wise? one deer one elk? asking a legit question.

The simple answer is yes.  1 elk and 1 deer.  As far as whether its a bull or cow or spike or 3pt min, or buck or doe or 3pt min or any buck it depends on the weapon, geography of the state and about a million other things.  But the simple answer is 1 elk and 1 deer.

Thanks 

[igotbigbulls]

can you buy a second elk and second deer tag? seems like one of my buddies did something like that.

[igotbigbulls]

and yeah im not talking special permit. only what you can buy over the counter for general season

[JimmyHoffa]

No, second deer/elk are draws and in some cases basically like over-the-counter with a waiting period.  If no draws, then 1 deer/1 elk/2 bears/1 cougar.

[igotbigbulls]

so do you also think we should have to follow the same seasons as state hunters? or are our seasons that are already established not sufficient? or if we had a bag limit of 1 elk 1 deer 2 bear, what would be the thought of seeing 3 tribal members hunting together all tagged out on the road with all those animals in the back of our truck? is that not going to make other hunters mad as well? or is the main goal to have our treaty hunting rights totally abollished and adopt the hunting regs set up by WDFW that no one on this site is happy with? i read alot of "make it fair" reasoning on here. and i agree with one point and that is that there should be a better harvest tracking method by the tribes. i have even discussed with others about the problem with harvesting multiple bulls and bucks and what it says to others about some of the tribal hunters. but the opposition is there. it seems like this has and will continue to be an ongoing dillema until something gives.IMO

[hunter360]

so do you also think we should have to follow the same seasons as state hunters? or are our seasons that are already established not sufficient? or if we had a bag limit of 1 elk 1 deer 2 bear, what would be the thought of seeing 3 tribal members hunting together all tagged out on the road with all those animals in the back of our truck? is that not going to make other hunters mad as well? or is the main goal to have our treaty hunting rights totally abollished and adopt the hunting regs set up by WDFW that no one on this site is happy with? i read alot of "make it fair" reasoning on here. and i agree with one point and that is that there should be a better harvest tracking method by the tribes. i have even discussed with others about the problem with harvesting multiple bulls and bucks and what it says to others about some of the tribal hunters. but the opposition is there. it seems like this has and will continue to be an ongoing dillema until something gives.IMO

You asked so I will tell you my opinion. Yes the treaty rights should be abolished, and everyone should have the same exact hunting rights. This is America, we are all apart of it, and we are all supposed to be equal as far as rights go. Whatever happened a million years ago is a million years ago plain and simple and non of us had to go through it. I have never once heard of a race of people getting special rights once they were conquered by another race or country or whatever. And to answer your question about the three tribal members all tagged out with all the animals in the truck......the answer would be no I wouldn't be pissed because you and your buddies would have the same rights as I would so all it would mean to me is that you guys had a hell of a hunt. It is not often that I see some hunter going by the rules that WDFW tells us to that can go out and kill an elk, 2 bear, a deer, and one cougar all in the same trip. If you could do that, more power to you.

[colockumelk]

I.think most people would be content if the tribes in order to hunt off tje reservation had to contribute meaning $ to helping with management. And of course should be required to submit harvest data as this is how tje wdfw sers our seasons . They use harvest data to help manage the health of the herd. 

Further more if there was a limit to how many animals could be harvested this would shut a lot of people. Some tribes already have this. Say 1 bull and 1cow plus 1 buck and 1 doe per member. Then if more need to ne harvested for ceremony.ial purposes then issue special permits to do so but make it cow or doe only. Since many areas has a low boy to girl ratio.  The above still keeps the treaty rigjts to hunt but also doesn't allow for the abuse of priveleges that happens too often. 

Most of the anger and frustration is directed at the Yakamas since they do the worst at managmemt. It seems that most tribes do a decent job of management and cooperation with the wdfw. They also do studies and have limits on harvest. But the Yakamas do nothing.

The biggest issue is that around Yakama it takes 7-10 or more years to draw a special branch bull permit. Too often we see one Yakama shooting multiple branch bulls a year. How is this fair?  We as licensed hunters has restricted our opportunities and emplaced limits to make the elk herd better. Only to have others take advantage of treaty rights and undo it all. A perfect example is a Yakama in the Colockum one year harvested 6 branch bulls. That year only 5 fell to ALL licensed hunters combined. If the shoe was on the other foot how would this make you feel. And yes the example I gave happened. If you went to the 2009 Yakima sportsmans show you would have seen them all. Just because someone has the legal right to do so doesnt make it right.

[Elkrunner]

Just abolish the treaties and give them a hunting season...give them 1 elk and 1 deer per hunter and everyone would be happy. 

[igotbigbulls]

colock i agree with you on the point of just cuz it legal doesnt make it right. i am not yakama so i can not speak for them on what they do or dont do. i am not one who would advocate taking more than 1 BAB a year either. no point in it. IMO


hunter 360
are you saying that for hunting in our ceded area only or for on reservation rights too? you want WDFW to regulate the game on the reservation? or would you want us to give the reservation land back for all to hunt on also?

[coachcw]

boyz ur wasting ur time like there really gonna wllingly give up there tribal rights ! Like anyone would .

[igotbigbulls]

yeah but i like to see what people have to say about it. lots of different opinions. some good some bad.IMO. but none the less your right. we wont give up the treaties but some laws can be made. for instance when the treaty was signed there were no regs to what you could harvest. and now my tribe has seasons and restrictions. so things do change.