nile paper says muck's shot 140+/- deer last weekend?

[trophyhunt]

So I have a question to ask and a statement to make:

Let me first state that i normally ignore these threads because of what they turn into but i am curious.

Were these deer harvested on a reservation or tribal lands? Or Public Land?

If they were taken on tribal property or land then I say  well thats within their rights, if they were taken on public land  well then its definitely not right.

They should be allowed to wipe out their resources and then have to hunt public land and abide by the general public laws and regulations until they are able to create better rules around game management.

Just my 

From what I'm understanding the mucks don't have tribal land on the east side, they are just saying they used to walk or ride there horses across the chinnook trail 50 plus miles to hunt the nile area insted of hunting in there back yard. Whatever. I agree with you on the fact that they should be able to do what they want on reservation land, but once they step off they should go by our rules plain and simple.

[brianmtsinc]

I agree with you on the fact that they should be able to do what they want on reservation land, but once they step off they should go by our rules plain and simple.


 

[dirty24d]

I thinks its a pretty reasonable request that if they are on public / non tribal land that they have to follow public / non tribal rules and regulations. But what they do on tribal lands is their business.

THATS ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

[jackmaster]

i have always tried to sit back and see this from both sides, well i dont know who the natives are on this site except i believe plateaundn and igotbigbulls, sorry that i dont know who the rest of the natives are on this site, but can i ask the natives this question, WHAT DO WE DO NOW TO MAKE SURE MY SON AND HIS SONS IN THE FUTURE HAVE DEER AND ELK TO HUNT? i know the non native game department does what they can to set regulations so we dont over hunt, and i know there are plenty of non natives that take more than their share and if us non natives were aloud to deal with them i can assure you they wouldnt take more than their share again, but i am just curious as to what the natives are gonna do to help ARE, MINE AND YOURS, elk and deer populations, and if the huntn is so good on the reservations why do natives find it necesarry to hunt public ground, is it just to rub it in non native faces? what do natives do to the guys that are caught taking more than their share or doing it illegal but from what i have seen natives dont have any illegal methods do they....? i know non natives cant hunt at night but i do know natives do... oh one more question.. DO NATIVES HUNT THE TRADITIONAL WAY ANYMORE?

[sirmissalot]

yup. another one of those threads. who are you to say that the meat probably wont be used? if you need meat so bad i ll share some steaks with ya. thread after thread people see all these truck loads of dear and elk. yet no pics or proof of it. all the talk and no pics is the number one no no on this site. you would think with as many accusations there have been people would start taking pics.

Are you saying it's not happening?

His arguement is always the same. Basically prove it. He does have a point there are a lot of rumors of truck loads of deer and or elk but you never see pictures. We just talked about this on another fishing forum, guys complaining abotu indians and their nets, with half the fish going to waste. We all need to TAKE PICTURES of this stuff and bring it to the attention of the public, other tribal members and law enforcement. I'm lucky that not a lot of this stuff happens in areas I hunt, but if it did I would surely be on the look out and always ready to snap a photo, just like I am for people using ATV's in areas they aren't supposed to. Something has got to change and this would be a start.

[lewy]

 How far does this go? When does the state step in and say whoa...Hopefully before its to late. I know the unit that I spend most of my time in for deer (bt) has pretty well been shot out by mucks due to the 5 months give or take that they hunt it, not to mention the other tribes that come from MILES as well. Im not rambling on hearsay, I have seen the recession first hand and have been reassured by local game enforcement that all said is fact. Step up, pay taxes and abide by the same rules.......oh and clean up your nasty f'n rez

[igotbigbulls]

if you dont like the rez looks where your from...STAY OFF OF IT!

[lewy]

Gladly

[igotbigbulls]

ignorant

[lewy]

You know what's ignorant- not acknowledging the facts and watching our state go down the drain

[Coastal_native]

You know what's ignorant- not acknowledging the facts and watching our state go down the drain

Actually, to help everybody out lewy, you should define the word "fact" for us, just so we're all on the same page.  This thread was started with a question about a rumor and then had another rumor introduced within the first couple posts.  The hunters on here that are bringing forward all the "facts" about treaty hunting are not treaty hunters and they don't get their facts from an agency that has jurisdiction over treaty hunters.  So where are all the "facts" coming from?

......I'll say it again, Hunt Wa don't know nutin' about treaty hunting.  They just know they hate it.

[woodswalker]

OK, While I was going to leave this thread alone, mostly due to the lack of hard evidence, I will be stationed somewhere along the Colockum this Friday, Saturday and possibly Sunday at a Hunter Information Station.  While at this station, I'll leave the video cam running and have a hot digicam in my pocket as well as spare batteries for all of it AND car chargers.  If i can find the charger I'll also have my 1.5m candlepower spotlight slaved to my 35MM with the motordrive.  IF something amiss should come by me, I'll have evidence.

I'd just as soon NOT have anything to report.  However I've BEEN up in the woods and I've SEEN what others report...I'll try to have the evidence past my own witness.

Plateaundn, Coastal_native and Igotbigbulls, part of what gets "these threads" riled up IS a small percentage of tribal folks who stretch, strain and just flat blow out the values of fairness and sportmanship and turn it into oneupsmanship (See Yakima Sportsmans Show and a certain exhibitor who takes more branch bulls in one season than I've had tags for in MY LIFETIME of nearly half a century.) THAT is what gets folks wound up.  That and seeing piles of salmon with the skeins in a bucket and the fish in a pile on the bank to rot.  Its the ABUSES of the resources that tends to rile the rest of us who believe in not only playing by the rules, whatever they may be, but in fair play and in SPORTSMANSHIP and CONSERVATION of our resources.  I want MY kids and grandkids to be able to hunt and fish as I have been able to do.

[Craig]

It's amazing how Arizona, New Mexico and other states have world class hunting and game management on the reservations and Washington tribes seem not to really care. They would rather exploit the issue.

[igotbigbulls]

http://www.petethomasoutdoors.com/2011/07/oregon-deer-poachers-to-spend-hunting-seasons-in-jail.html

heres a real poacher. read this in a hunting mag couple weeks ago. PROOF.

[dirty24d]

Here's the  thing though:

Im pretty sure the majority of you if given the rights and chance to shoot 3 deer and 3 elk per year you probably would. You cant bash tribal hunters for doing what they have been told they are allowed to do. You  need to be bashing the laws and rulemakers for allowing this to continue. If i had police flashers on my car and i was told i could use them twice a week so i didnt have to sit in traffic I'd be inclined to take advantage of that because it was privledge given to me, it may not be fair or ethical but if you've been given the right to do it then i guess i cant blame you for taking advantage of that.

Hate the policy not the hunter.