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We continue to question treaty acts and we have no control over yet I hear about more immigrant workers out poaching deer where we have control. So lets make small steps and stop the poaching we can control. Sorry not implying Indians are poaching.
Treaties are never outdated. ~The ability to make them goes out the window when one side decides to say "it's outdated" and we're not abiding by it anymore. Kind of like defaulting on the national debt....if you do it once, your credit and credibility to make agreements are gone forever. These are contracts made between the US gov't and sovereign nations...the first nations of this continent. The reasoning of the time was that the US Army was tired of the bloodshed after chewing through the plains and SE tribes and it was make a deal time once they reached the Washington territory.Like it or not, it's the law of the land breakable only by war or act of congress. We are both hunters...with plenty of bad apples in each side's ranks. I honestly believe we have much more in common than not. Our fights against habitat degradation/loss and anti hunting forces are the same. Neither side wants the wolves back! The big difference is our chief, if you will; WDFW, chooses to ignore us, divide and minimize us and manage for minimum kill opportunity. The tribes manage for maximum (hopefully sustainable) kill opportunity. Which one do we have the ability to change?
Quote from: trophyhunt on October 27, 2011, 12:40:24 PMI totally agree with ridgerunner, the treaties are very much out dated. The tribes know this, but why would they volunteer any change. If the mucks were smart, when they buy hancock they will turn that into world class elk hunting. But I'm sure they'll have to wipe the elk and deer out before that happens. If I ever won a big lottery I would hire the best damn team of attorney's and get a law suit going on this treaty B.S.Save your money. Elected officials have been trying to undermind treaties with bogus legislation for decades. If 5% of the deer and elk and 50% of the salmon in the state of Washington is a big enough issue to consider "updating" the treaties. Then the federal goverment can give Indians back the territories they ceded and let them have 100% of the fish and wildlife in those areas. I've never argued that treaties don't make management a little more tricky for the states, but consider this: The relationship between Indians and fish & widlife was so important to the tribes that even "on the eve of doom" they thought it was necessary to protect those rights and privledges specifically...in a document that was only a few pages long and that would seemingly seal their fate. Regardless of what most people want to believe, even with the advent of modern technology there is still a fundamental difference between treaty hunting and state hunting that goes beyond the regulations, trophies, sport vs. subsistance, etc... There is no way the treaty signatories could have predicted how far technology would advance, nor could they have predicted how much habitat would be lost do to developement, or how many people would settle the area, or how state hunting would progress to what it is today, or...that at some point someone would suggest that because there are so many people and so few animals, Indians should have to hunt a 10 day season in competition with 4000 other hunters with a 10% chance of being successful. That would make the signatories role over in their graves more so than an Indian kid with a Jordan T-shirt on shooting a deer from his truck in august. If you can except that, and give up on the inequality argument, then maybe you could focus on the bigger picture. It's been said over and over again that Indians are the cause of some sort of wildlife decline across the state of Washington. Really? Someone show me that report.....CedarPants, I used the same 2nd amendment argument before and never got a response.
I totally agree with ridgerunner, the treaties are very much out dated. The tribes know this, but why would they volunteer any change. If the mucks were smart, when they buy hancock they will turn that into world class elk hunting. But I'm sure they'll have to wipe the elk and deer out before that happens. If I ever won a big lottery I would hire the best damn team of attorney's and get a law suit going on this treaty B.S.
Like usual, I see both sides on this topic.I just have a few questions I'm hoping can be answered ....... 1) If the treaty went away, would the non-tribal poachers that wipe out more animals than ever get mentioned in these threads suddenly just stop poaching? 2) If the treaty went away, would the tribal hunters that shoot as many animals as they want, just because they can, suddenly just stop shooting as many animals as they want? 3) If the treaty went away and neither 1 nor 2 above were to take place, at what point would ungulate numbers magically start increasing? 4) Don't those against the 2nd Amendment constantly point out that it's 'outdated', and don't we tell them where to go when they do so? 5) When did some of you decide Uncle Sam's word wasn't worth the paper it was written on?Like I've said before, i don't have to like certain aspects of the treaty - but what kind of group of people are we if we think the US should just rip apart its agreements with other nations because those agreements don't benefit our personal wants? Sad really.It's almost humorous to me that some of you think ripping up the treaty will accomplish anything in the form of improving ungulate numbers. All it will accomplish is making you feel better because everyone is now 'treated equally'. Nothing would change with the hunting though.My Now I'll sit back for the rest of the day and take my beatings. Ready, go ....
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Rofl...A SummaryDoes anyone know anything about a news article I heard about...blahblahblahBLAH!!!We want proof! Where is the proof!?!?blahblahBLAHH FRIKKING BLAH!!!Proof.Proof?Proof!PROOF!We don't like this proof.That's not proof!We can't handle the proof!blahblahblahRandom statement by some new guy.Now THIS is proof!Some of you guys are so full of it...Full props to Plateau for posting that article.
FC.....well....i got nothin for that rambling.
sure. still waiting for proof. lol. you got some of something. all talk and no action
We want proof! Where is the proof!?!?
Proof.
We don't like this proof.
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