nile paper says muck's shot 140+/- deer last weekend?

[Ddog73]

I haven't seen any local gas stations out if business because of the one gas station?Muckleshoot own. I know we get about that much off but I am not sure if it goes to the governor.

[PlateauNDN]

Yes we pay taxes, federal income, federal withheld, gaming taxes, wal-mart I pay taxes, the mall I pay taxes, restaurants for meals I pay taxes.  Sure the gas station on the rez is cheaper by about 12 cents a gallon but that's if I get gas there.  The rez doesn't have wal-mart or a mall, a movie theater, toys r us, pizza hut and...as for Yakamas our 100 hundred dollar a month gaming per capita is taxed because the IRS defines it as income.  Anything else?

Oh and I'm not ducking or dodging any questions I've been celebrating my teenage sister-in-laws birthday and I'd be glad to answer more questions but I'd like to get some sleep after I help my kids with their homework.

[FC]

FC
you have no valid points at all. and when asked questions i have answered. i make a comment on game management, post the hunting regs for the muckleshoot to show that the mucks cant shoot up everything like is being claimed, post a real article on a poacher who was recently caught and prosecuted but no one comments when there is actual proof of poaching or how disgusting it was what that family did. no, just keep pointing at the tribal members for the so called decline in big game. what good is gonna come from the arguments. none.

Let's be clear here, I despise poachers and wasters of fish and game, care to guess where this is going next? Tribes may not be poaching under Wa state, US laws or even their own BUT they are the largest wasters of fish and game. Am I saying that you igotbulls, Coastal or Plateau do this? NO but you are well represented by enough of your members on these counts that you kind of get lost in the crowd.

For the record igotbulls, the poachers story that you pointed at was already being followed by many here, myself included. I think they should have been publicly gelded, caned and then shot.

http://sportsyakima.com/2011/10/hunting-season-all-about-location-location-location/

a tribe of less than 4000 who a small percentage of hunt kill off all the animals? come on man. tribal members like myself are fed up with the non factual comments. like 140 deer killed last weekend. all races have stereo types that man has labled them with. lets just hunt.

You are right, according to that article it wasn't 140, it was 130...

To those of you who say that the treaties don't need and can't have any adjustments made to them or compare them to the Constitution...

Are you guys really serious? Maybe we should be reverting them to as they were 100 years ago when x number of a tribe off of the rez were to be considered a war party and shot on sight? The tribes have had no problem being endlessly litigious and continually seeking to gain more "rights" or to tweak the treaties to their liking, obviously in their favor the whole way.

The day will come when this practice will be seen for what it is and then the re-write will commence, I look forward to this day.

For too long many members of the tribes have wasted fish and game, greedily killing off entire runs of fish and herds of animals.

I couldn't possibly care less if any of the tribes kill off every animal and fish raised in hatcheries ON THE REZ that they live on! When you step off on to public land and start killing off the rest of the fish and animals I most definitely care! FWIW I am against ALL commercial fishing but the waste that goes on by typical tribal fishermen is inexcusable. For hunting I would like to see the tribes abide by the laws of the land once they leave their rez.

If this is the part where you ask for proof...get real! All of us who have spent any real amount of time on the water or in the woods already know better, we aren't diverted by or even interested in these arguments.

If you are going to say anything about "White Privilege"...LMFAO! Does anyone here know of any scholarships exclusively for white people? How about exclusive funding for caucasians? How about affirmative action....Anyone ever hear about preferential hiring?

I was trying to stay out of this aside from a little humor to try and lighten the mood, you apparently mistook this for a lack of knowledge or experience igotbulls, you have now been educated on that count.

PlateauNDN at least has been trying to keep it real, you should too.

[whiteeyes]

FC
you have no valid points at all. and when asked questions i have answered. i make a comment on game management, post the hunting regs for the muckleshoot to show that the mucks cant shoot up everything like is being claimed, post a real article on a poacher who was recently caught and prosecuted but no one comments when there is actual proof of poaching or how disgusting it was what that family did. no, just keep pointing at the tribal members for the so called decline in big game. what good is gonna come from the arguments. none.

Let's be clear here, I despise poachers and wasters of fish and game, care to guess where this is going next? Tribes may not be poaching under Wa state, US laws or even their own BUT they are the largest wasters of fish and game. Am I saying that you igotbulls, Coastal or Plateau do this? NO but you are well represented by enough of your members on these counts that you kind of get lost in the crowd.

For the record igotbulls, the poachers story that you pointed at was already being followed by many here, myself included. I think they should have been publicly gelded, caned and then shot.

http://sportsyakima.com/2011/10/hunting-season-all-about-location-location-location/

a tribe of less than 4000 who a small percentage of hunt kill off all the animals? come on man. tribal members like myself are fed up with the non factual comments. like 140 deer killed last weekend. all races have stereo types that man has labled them with. lets just hunt.

You are right, according to that article it wasn't 140, it was 130...

To those of you who say that the treaties don't need and can't have any adjustments made to them or compare them to the Constitution...

Are you guys really serious? Maybe we should be reverting them to as they were 100 years ago when x number of a tribe off of the rez were to be considered a war party and shot on sight? The tribes have had no problem being endlessly litigious and continually seeking to gain more "rights" or to tweak the treaties to their liking, obviously in their favor the whole way.

The day will come when this practice will be seen for what it is and then the re-write will commence, I look forward to this day.

For too long many members of the tribes have wasted fish and game, greedily killing off entire runs of fish and herds of animals.

I couldn't possibly care less if any of the tribes kill off every animal and fish raised in hatcheries ON THE REZ that they live on! When you step off on to public land and start killing off the rest of the fish and animals I most definitely care! FWIW I am against ALL commercial fishing but the waste that goes on by typical tribal fishermen is inexcusable. For hunting I would like to see the tribes abide by the laws of the land once they leave their rez.

If this is the part where you ask for proof...get real! All of us who have spent any real amount of time on the water or in the woods already know better, we aren't diverted by or even interested in these arguments.

If you are going to say anything about "White Privilege"...LMFAO! Does anyone here know of any scholarships exclusively for white people? How about exclusive funding for caucasians? How about affirmative action....Anyone ever hear about preferential hiring?

I was trying to stay out of this aside from a little humor to try and lighten the mood, you apparently mistook this for a lack of knowledge or experience igotbulls, you have now been educated on that count.

PlateauNDN at least has been trying to keep it real, you should too.

Since you know so much already, maybe you can add this to your knowledge bank. If it wasn't for the Tribes there wouldnt be any fisheries left on the Columbia.....   

[FC]

Since you know so much already, maybe you can add this to your knowledge bank. If it wasn't for the Tribes there wouldnt be any fisheries left on the Columbia.....

You must be referring to that large body of water on the southern border of this state that is lined with tribal nets? If it wasn't for the tribes the runs wouldn't have been in such danger to begin with as you well know.

As for the funding for those hatcheries...Just where did all that dough originate? Grants and lawsuits...In other words the tribes got PAID to perform repairs on runs that they had destroyed...or are you next going to tell me that the tribes all worked for free and never netted a fish on that river system?

For a group of people that swear it's none of their doing it is pretty amazing how entire runs of fish disappear in less than 5 years of them stretching their nets from bank to bank.

[Coastal_native]

  FC, how do you come up with this stuff?  Do you have some sort of anti-treaty propaganda handbook? Which one of the several known anti treaty organizations do you belong to?  Were you a pre Bolt commercial fisherman?

I'll admit your persuasive writing skills are second to none, but I just don't buy it.  You place 100% of the blame for everything on Indians even if there isn't a need to place blame on anyone, and you do it while admitting that you don't need any concrete evidence.  You say it's true, therefor it's true.  Initially I thought you were ignorant or uninformed, but now I'm convinced you actually have ill intentions.  On top of that, you're just as antagonistic as "little red wagon", you just disguise it with big words and proper English.  The difference between what you're saying and what I'm saying is more than just a disagreement...one of us is full of it.

 

[Yak-NDN]

Wow I am gone for two days and look at all the fun I missed. What a bunch of Jellos hateful single minded people.

From what I have read even Bone yes the great moderator Bone said Yakima Harold is not worth the paper it is printed on. Have any of you been involved in anything that hit the papers? They seem to spice things up to sound a little different from the real truth. 130-140 bucks I don't see it. If the paper is correct Tribal hunting is only 3%-5% of animals harvested in the state. Why cant you all be happy with the Tribes harvesting 3-5%. I bet non Tribal poaching is more that 3%-5%
     I agree you all should fight the Tribes so when it ends up in court they say the Tribes gets 50% of harvestable animals Then the Tribe can sell permits to the non Tribal members to keep the herds down. I think at that time the Tribe should send a bill to the Fed Gov and the State for 50% of any revenue that has ever come from ceded, open and unclaimed land. (Timber, Grazing,Discover Pass, and so on)
    They are already talking about closing down units at certain times of the year for Tribal hunting access only because their were a few tough guys last year that were harassing some Tribal members.
 
How many state hatchery's are on the Columbia above Bon Dam?  Three? I don't know not many. The Tribe has many, where's the money coming from? We all know most is Fed grant money. But if it wasn't for the Tribe fighting for it the Gov would find some stupid idea how to spend it. Then their would be no sport fishery on the Columbia. And if anybody don't see this as the truth you are ignorant.

And I pay Tax's most State and all Fed tax's and I pay allot. 

[hunter360]

FC, how do you come up with this stuff?  Do you have some sort of anti-treaty propaganda handbook? Which one of the several known anti treaty organizations do you belong to?  Were you a pre Bolt commercial fisherman?

I'll admit your persuasive writing skills are second to none, but I just don't buy it.  You place 100% of the blame for everything on Indians even if there isn't a need to place blame on anyone, and you do it while admitting that you don't need any concrete evidence.  You say it's true, therefor it's true.  Initially I thought you were ignorant or uninformed, but now I'm convinced you actually have ill intentions.  On top of that, you're just as antagonistic as "little red wagon", you just disguise it with big words and proper English.  The difference between what you're saying and what I'm saying is more than just a disagreement...one of us is full of it.

Yeah, you!

[farmin4u_98948]

Yes we pay taxes, federal income, federal withheld, gaming taxes, wal-mart I pay taxes, the mall I pay taxes, restaurants for meals I pay taxes.  Sure the gas station on the rez is cheaper by about 12 cents a gallon but that's if I get gas there.  The rez doesn't have wal-mart or a mall, a movie theater, toys r us, pizza hut and...as for Yakamas our 100 hundred dollar a month gaming per capita is taxed because the IRS defines it as income.  Anything else?

Oh and I'm not ducking or dodging any questions I've been celebrating my teenage sister-in-laws birthday and I'd be glad to answer more questions but I'd like to get some sleep after I help my kids with their homework.

 Come one Plat.... I have gone to many movies at the theater in the cultural center.... I think you need to spend more time on the rez..... Just like me.... 

[coachcw]

I've always heard that the indains use every bit of the animal and waste nothing . If that were the case i'd be ok with all the game that is harvested by them . in the last two weeks
I've seen two big horn capes wasted and one sheep left to rot . How much of that crap happens ?

[Elkrunner]

Hate to say I told you so but guess what, its back.  I mentioned it in the other post and sure enough it cycled around and here it is.

I do not see any end in the conflict between the two groups.... Do you?  Show the way to end the conflict.

  i know how to end the conflict....make everyone abide by the same rules

That is the only answer to this f up problem. The mucks are the richest indians in this state, getting meat on the table is no problem for them. These type of topic's will allways pop up, why?? Because it's wrong what the indians do.  I did miss type the title, sorry. It wasn't supposed to read "weekend'' I meant before our season.

i am not quite sure why they feel a need to go to the east side of the state and get there elk.   Oh yeah its because they are saving the herd in the cedar river watershed for after they decimate the herd on the east side. They are even collaring them so they know exactly where to locate them when they are ready to harvest.

[Elkrunner]

OK, so the rumor that Tribal members dont pay taxes is Un-True.  Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I would like to see some real proof...I think I may look into this.

[klickman]

yup. another one of those threads. who are you to say that the meat probably wont be used? if you need meat so bad i ll share some steaks with ya. thread after thread people see all these truck loads of dear and elk. yet no pics or proof of it. all the talk and no pics is the number one no no on this site. you would think with as many accusations there have been people would start taking pics.

Here is the pic that you were looking for and the facts along with the picture.  Not the greatest pic.  (Cell Phone

Fact:
-A pick up load of branched antler bulls.  3 Bulls
-The hunters were showing off their animals at a gas station in Naches last winter
-They said it was a lot of work to get the bulls.
-All the bulls were brought out whole.

KLICKMAN

[Yak-NDN]

I've always heard that the indains use every bit of the animal and waste nothing . If that were the case i'd be ok with all the game that is harvested by them . in the last two weeks
I've seen two big horn capes wasted and one sheep left to rot . How much of that crap happens ?

Coach you got any info on this  I would like to look into it? Was it Tribal members or non members? Im Sure you said it was Tribal. Also who cares about the capes, Just to let you all know I have never had anything mounted I have never sold a set of antlers. And I think that hitting another sheep and leaving it is a bunch of crap but I know that it happens allot non Tribal members also. I hear all the time that they shot a buck that they hope was close enough to legal size because it wouldn't stand to see.

[Yak-NDN]

Yes we pay taxes, federal income, federal withheld, gaming taxes, wal-mart I pay taxes, the mall I pay taxes, restaurants for meals I pay taxes.  Sure the gas station on the rez is cheaper by about 12 cents a gallon but that's if I get gas there.  The rez doesn't have wal-mart or a mall, a movie theater, toys r us, pizza hut and...as for Yakamas our 100 hundred dollar a month gaming per capita is taxed because the IRS defines it as income.  Anything else?

Oh and I'm not ducking or dodging any questions I've been celebrating my teenage sister-in-laws birthday and I'd be glad to answer more questions but I'd like to get some sleep after I help my kids with their homework.

 Come one Plat.... I have gone to many movies at the theater in the cultural center.... I think you need to spend more time on the rez..... Just like me.... 

  I love the representation that you give for the Tribal people but this is what I was talking about.  I guess if you didn't grow up on or live on the rez you wouldn't know about the cultural theater because they don't advertise.