nile paper says muck's shot 140+/- deer last weekend?

[runamuk]

We do not choose to hunt like that we are forced to.....by our government who has limited where and when we areallowed to hu t

[igotbigbulls]

how many hunters are there in wa state that buy tags? curious. is that tracked? or where could i find that info? wdfw site?

[igotbigbulls]

We do not choose to hunt like that we are forced to.....by our government who has limited where and when we areallowed to hu t

maybe its because there are more hunters in wa than any other western state.

[colockumelk]

Simple question. Why is it okay for the same crime to have two different penalties based SOLEY on the color of their skin. Simple question. But if you don't want to answer it because you know how it will make you look dog and igotbulls. That's fine. At least  YAK made an attempt to answer it. He sidestepped the direct point I was making but at least he gave something. 

[Odell]

and the pendulum goes back and forth. oh well. yeah i can tell you a cousin of mine has had his hunting rights taken away for poaching. it does happen never said it doesnt. just quit pointing fingers when you guys do the same things and get away with it as well. way more than tribal members. you know thats a fact. you all know the stats of what tribal hunters harvest give or take a percentage or two. thats from your state wildlife department. do you not believe those numbers?  bottom line. we will continue to hunt and you will continue to be upset because its not fair in your eyes. the penalties are what they are. nothing we do will be good enough....unless its done your way.
oh and your comment about posting nasty cases of poaching. go ahead. i witnessed the so called way state hunters hunt a couple weeks ago and it was apalling and scary to think thats what you call hunting. trucks parked every 100 yards along a 2 mile strecth of road on a ridge. spread out flushing out the game who doesnt have a chance with all them rifles pointing at em.

Again, everyone here hates poachers. No one is defending them. Don't defend tribal behavior by saying other people are worse. And by the way, that is no fact...I can't imagine how you would prove that. 

As to hunting methods, I'm not sure you want to start comparing that, I've seen so much road hunting from tribal members ...and anyhow that isn't the issue.

I have no personal axe to grind but I have yet to see anything that makes me believe most tribal members can't do basically whatever they want with little fear of consequence. Something needs to change for the benefit of all.

[dartondude]

If the Natives are allowed to harvest game/fish levels higher than the rest of society, they should be restricted to the same harvest methods used before European settlement..(i.e., stick and a string).

[Ddog73]

Simple question. Why is it okay for the same crime to have two different penalties based SOLEY on the color of their skin. Simple question. But if you don't want to answer it because you know how it will make you look dog and igotbulls. That's fine. At least  YAK made an attempt to answer it. He sidestepped the direct point I was making but at least he gave something.

I didnt make the rules on how much to fine the violater and I sure wasn't in the state part of how much the fines are to be to the violaters. 

[igotbigbulls]

Simple question. Why is it okay for the same crime to have two different penalties based SOLEY on the color of their skin. Simple question. But if you don't want to answer it because you know how it will make you look dog and igotbulls. That's fine. At least  YAK made an attempt to answer it. He sidestepped the direct point I was making but at least he gave something. 

its not. you said you could face UP to 51000 so a first time offender is gonna get what? 1k 2k 3k.....jail time. doubt it colock. colock i will never side step your points. yak made an excelent point on the different states and whats a law in one may not be the same in the other. same thing we deal with.
guess i wasnt trying to defend the behavior odell because its not acceptable. but happens on both sides. the point i see you making is we have different seasons and harvest rules and that makes you upset.

[Ddog73]

Does anyone on this site know if the natives in this state actually get 50% of all the animals harvested?

[igotbigbulls]

If the Natives are allowed to harvest game/fish levels higher than the rest of society, they should be restricted to the same harvest methods used before European settlement..(i.e., stick and a string).

the numbers for harvest arent even close. do your homework.

[FC]

oh and your comment about posting nasty cases of poaching. go ahead. i witnessed the so called way state hunters hunt a couple weeks ago and it was apalling and scary to think thats what you call hunting. trucks parked every 100 yards along a 2 mile strecth of road on a ridge. spread out flushing out the game who doesnt have a chance with all them rifles pointing at em.

I'll bite on your attempted diversion/sidestep. That sounds pretty bad and pretty much what I have seen in some isolated areas during the modern firearm season for deer.

How about those guys that like to hunt at winter feed stations? That's pretty sporting huh? Ever see or read about a group of guys "hunting" elk from the bed of a pickup with AK47's?

Did any of those guys get booted from their tribes? Are we done with the diversion game yet?

*crickets*

This whole thread got started over what appears to be a very serious discrepancy over harvested animals vs reported ones...did you forget?

[igotbigbulls]

dont know about the ak47 thing. never heard about it.  winter feeding stations werent always feeding stations. unethical hunting and poaching are two different things. if someone wants to drive up in the middle of the day and shoot a big bull in a feeding station. very unethical in my book. 

[PlateauNDN]

Colock ill make this short and sweet.  Do I agree or like that the fines and penalties are lesser?  NO.  Do I agree they should be stricter?  YES.  Do I believe they are discriminatory?  NO, because I nor anybody else on here wrote them or had a say in writing them.  Our Tribal Councils from the past determined the level of punishments long ago and the present day Tribal Council Members are the only ones who can change it.

The issue I see coming over and over again is the penalties.  Would a non-tribal member doing the same thing get the maximum amount?  Probably not, because the standards range is based off criminal history.

Take the young man from montesano who was posted on here for poaching "killing" in other words over a 100 big game animals in a month and got 5 months?  Do I believe that was tough enough?  NO.  Is it going to stop him or deter anybody?  NO, it just makes them a little more cautious and if their going to break the law they will do it regardless the punishment.

So yes the problem isn't isolated and can't be solved overnight and all our bickering is going to continue.

[igotbigbulls]

and btw im not the one who started the thread with the above title. pretty dumb to start something titled what it is and expect some not to take exception with it.

[FC]

dont know about the ak47 thing. never heard about it.  winter feeding stations werent always feeding stations. unethical hunting and poaching are two different things. if someone wants to drive up in the middle of the day and shoot a big bull in a feeding station. very unethical in my book.

Oh I'm sorry I thought you wanted to compare the way different people hunted in this state. Winter feed stations weren't always there...that is your best answer for those pukes "hunting" there?