Draft Regs for Multi Season Permits

[ing]

I've been lucky enough to draw the multi deer tag 4 years in a row now and I love it.  There is so many different ways, places, species, etc. to hunt deer and this has allowed me to try a lot of different things when I normally wouldnt have had the opportunity to do so... I'm gonna keep putting in for the draw and keep paying for it when I draw one.  Oh and I also drew a multi elk tag once also.

[CedarPants]

We jump all over the WDFW when they restrict our opportunities, now we are jumping all over them for offering more    We're a tough crowd to please, that's for sure

[bobcat]

I personaly don't see why someone would spend the 6.00 to enter the draw then not buy the tag.

Well, I can think of several reasons for that. First is that they didn't even know they had to pay for the tag if drawn. I know many people in the past have had the mistaken impression that the only cost was the $6 application fee. Either that or they just didn't realize it cost as much as it does ($180).

Or it could be that someone might draw both deer and elk and only wanted to spend the money on one of them, not both.

Also, another scenario is that some people, including me, might want to wait until after the special hunt permit results are available in May before purchasing the multi-season tag they drew. If I were to draw, say a modern firearm late mule deer hunt, I would not want to waste the $180 on the multi-season tag, because I would only want to hunt the late hunt I drew.

 

[kirkl]

i also drew multi season deer last year and waited until the permits were out. I have 15 deer points and wasnt going to spend 180 if i had a late buck tag in my pocket. Im going to do the same this year if i draw cause i didnt draw
a late buck tag last year.

[bullcanyon]

Multi isn't causing our deer numbers to decline, but it isn't helping either. I'm just saying we need to do some things to try and increase the numbers. Hound hunting would be at the top of my list. No late buck. Buck only for all seasons. At least until we see our deer numbers increase.

[colockumelk]

But at the same time, more time to hunt isn't necessarily more time hunting the same animal.  My archery, modern, muzzy units aren't the same either by choice or by regulation.  So when one ends it's not like come back next week with a different weapon.

True, but also not relevant. Success rates will go up, and more animals will be killed, period.

Yep on average across WA state deer success percentage for a general season tag holder is 24%.  The success percentage for multi-season tag holders was 47%.  Almost doubled. 

[ing]

I personaly don't see why someone would spend the 6.00 to enter the draw then not buy the tag.

Well, I can think of several reasons for that. First is that they didn't even know they had to pay for the tag if drawn. I know many people in the past have had the mistaken impression that the only cost was the $6 application fee. Either that or they just didn't realize it cost as much as it does ($180).

Or it could be that someone might draw both deer and elk and only wanted to spend the money on one of them, not both.

Also, another scenario is that some people, including me, might want to wait until after the special hunt permit results are available in May before purchasing the multi-season tag they drew. If I were to draw, say a modern firearm late mule deer hunt, I would not want to waste the $180 on the multi-season tag, because I would only want to hunt the late hunt I drew.

If you buy it before the permit deadline then you can put in for all three weapons if you want....

[blacktailcrzy]

so i have a question on multi season if i draw a elk permit can i hunt eastern wa elk then western wa elk with the same wepon

[billythekidrock]

The stat I would like to see for this year is the number of applications sold. If they drew 4000 last year and only 1500 bought the tag, increasing to 8000 is not necessarily going to increas the number of tags sold by much.

Going back to the kill. If 10% of the general season hunters are succesful versus the 20% with a multi tag, that means 10% of the multi tag hunters were going to get a deer anyway. You have to remove that number from your total increased dear kill numbers.

The numbers of deer killed due to a multi season tag is pretty small in my opinion. If you want to complain about increased deer kills lets attack the second deer tag. I had that this year allso and was able to fill that too.

That is basically the exact conversation I had with F&W a couple of years ago and I was told nearly verbatim what you have stated.

They told me that the typical purchaser of the multi-season permit was someone who is a serious, successful hunter who will harvest an animal with or without the multi anyway so the harvest numbers won't really change.

[billythekidrock]

But at the same time, more time to hunt isn't necessarily more time hunting the same animal.  My archery, modern, muzzy units aren't the same either by choice or by regulation.  So when one ends it's not like come back next week with a different weapon.

True, but also not relevant. Success rates will go up, and more animals will be killed, period.

Not always.

I had the multi I could have killed a couple does and spike during early archery season, but I didn't because I wanted to hunt modern late buck. Passed on two spikes during general modern. Passed on two spikes (twice) during muzzy wanting to hold out for at least a 2pt and when I was able to get out during late archery I only saw one doe.

Tag soup for me...even with the multi. BUT if I didn't have the multi I would have shot what ever was legal for my method.

[NoBark]

If they really want to have more control over harvest and make some coin, then why not make applicants pay up front for the Multi and if they draw, too bad. Ca't say no.  Lower the number given out and know exactly how many you are giving out as well as how much money our pulling in.

[bobcat]

But at the same time, more time to hunt isn't necessarily more time hunting the same animal.  My archery, modern, muzzy units aren't the same either by choice or by regulation.  So when one ends it's not like come back next week with a different weapon.

True, but also not relevant. Success rates will go up, and more animals will be killed, period.

Not always.

I had the multi I could have killed a couple does and spike during early archery season, but I didn't because I wanted to hunt modern late buck. Passed on two spikes during general modern. Passed on two spikes (twice) during muzzy wanting to hold out for at least a 2pt and when I was able to get out during late archery I only saw one doe.

Tag soup for me...even with the multi. BUT if I didn't have the multi I would have shot what ever was legal for my method.

Yes that's definitely something that could happen to a lot of the multi-season tag holders. I guess I should retract the statement that I made, that you quoted. I know for me having the multi-season tag could very well DECREASE the odds of me killing a deer. Because I would do just what you did and hold out for something big all the way up to the end, just mainly due to the fact that I paid an extra $180 for the tag. I wouldn't want to shoot something early and then feel like I wasted my money. So I guess if everybody thinks the same way the overall success rate for the multi tag holders could be lower than for everyone else.

[Bob33]

The data indicates that multi-season permit holders have higher harvest rates overall.  Your mileage may vary.

[bobcat]

The data indicates that multi-season permit holders have higher harvest rates overall.  Your mileage may vary.

Right, and that's what I was going by in my previous post.

[Turner89]

But at the same time, more time to hunt isn't necessarily more time hunting the same animal.  My archery, modern, muzzy units aren't the same either by choice or by regulation.  So when one ends it's not like come back next week with a different weapon.

True, but also not relevant. Success rates will go up, and more animals will be killed, period.

Not always.

I had the multi I could have killed a couple does and spike during early archery season, but I didn't because I wanted to hunt modern late buck. Passed on two spikes during general modern. Passed on two spikes (twice) during muzzy wanting to hold out for at least a 2pt and when I was able to get out during late archery I only saw one doe.

Tag soup for me...even with the multi. BUT if I didn't have the multi I would have shot what ever was legal for my method.

  Same here.  The only time I didnt tag out in the last eight years was two years ago when I had the multi tag. I will buy it every year if I am drawn.