Draft Regs for Multi Season Permits

[bobcat]

I don't necessarily buy into this. I can get a deer any day of the archery season where I hunt. The multi season tag this year let me hold out for a larger animal than I would have taken during the archery season which I would have hunted if I was not drawn for the multi tag.

So you're basically of the opinion that season length doesn't make a difference in harvest rates? If that was the case, they wouldn't need seasons at all. They could just open it up statewide from September 1st to December 31st, any weapon.

No I am saying that not everyone buying the multi season tag is increasing the harvest. I was taking a deer to go in the freezer be it a trophy or a meet doe. 1=1 in my books.

But not everyone is successful in harvesting a deer every year. Only 1 in 5 people kill a deer each year.

[royalbull]

cost too much, should be free if drawn

[bobcat]

cost too much, should be free if drawn

If it was free, almost everyone would apply, and odds of drawing would be terrible. I do think $180 is a little high, but I wouldn't want it to be free either.

[Maverick]

I've had it with WDFW...what a bunch of money grubbing *censored*s...No consideration for the "game "populations whatsoever!
We need to clean house!!!

I couldn't agree with you more!

[Kain]

I've had it with WDFW...what a bunch of money grubbing *censored*s...No consideration for the "game "populations whatsoever!
We need to clean house!!!

I couldn't agree with you more!

Yep its like they all went to the "Pimps and Whores School of Game Management".  Maybe they should read that "Predator Death Spiral" article.

[royalbull]

cost too much, should be free if drawn

If it was free, almost everyone would apply, and odds of drawing would be terrible. I do think $180 is a little high, but I wouldn't want it to be free either.

game dept. would make more of what they like and if drawn it would mean more, like winning the lotto

[Kain]

I'm not saying this pertains to everyone. In my case, I can take a legal deer in archery season on a regular basis. The multi tag lets me take a better deer. Just because you buy multi tag does not meen more deer are killed. I would agree with maybe more mature deer are killed. If you factor that number in to how many of the multi tag guys are killing deer I don't think your increase in total kills is going to be as big as you think.

Using the harvest report stats above:

If a hundred guys have over the counter general season tags the harvest rate is 24% (24 deer)
If that same hundred guys draw multiseason permits their harvest rate goes up to 42% (42 deer)

So yes more deer will be killed. 

[jrebel]

A little over 10% of total deer harvested last year were from multi season tag holders.  Of that number it is safe to assume 20% would have harvested deer without the multi season tag.  Don't blame deer numbers on the multi season tag.  Blame it on poor management of our game in general. 

I personally like it because it give me more time affield looking for a trophy.  I go very few years without harvesting a deer this just allows me the opportunity to look longer for a larger buck.  It drives money not only to WDFW but also to all the local businesses, state and other vendors that benefit from my dollar while affield. 

So if we are going to flash numbers folks lets remember that numbers are just that....numbers.  They don't tell the whole story and can be used to make a case for both sides. 

[jager]

I'm not saying this pertains to everyone. In my case, I can take a legal deer in archery season on a regular basis. The multi tag lets me take a better deer. Just because you buy multi tag does not meen more deer are killed. I would agree with maybe more mature deer are killed. If you factor that number in to how many of the multi tag guys are killing deer I don't think your increase in total kills is going to be as big as you think.

Why do you say that?
Maybe that is the case for you or I, that are targeting mature animals but I would suspect many are not. Some folks can only get out a couple of weekends then with the longer "season" maybe they get out five or six weekends.
If I can hunt early, general and late archery season, General and late modern, and early and general muzzy I would think Average joe's odds will be going up as far as success rates go.

Doubling the number of multi season tags is just plain irresponsible!
I don't think the eastside deer population will be able to sustain that kind of harvest.

[Kain]

IF there is enough deer available for more permits like these they could just add a day or two back onto each general season.  I hope you all remember this when they take another day or two from your general season.  I for one cannot afford to put in for or buy these permits so it might be great for some of you but it is taking from the rest of us.

[JimmyHoffa]

IF there is enough deer available for more permits like these they could just add a day or two back onto each general season.  I hope you all remeber this when they take another day or two from your general season.  I for one cannot afford to put in for or buy these permits so it might be great for some of you but it is taking from the rest of us.

I agree with this.  If they feel they need to increase harvest, why not give an extra day or two or whatever the hunter days/harvest says.  I have M/S this year, but won't put in for deer again.  Elk on the other hand.....like crack.

[jrebel]

Kain....

Your true argument comes out with your last statement.  I couldn't more disgusted with it by the way.  I have done nothing to you and your season.  Don't blame the people that take advantage of opportunity that is presented to them.  Our deer problem is not caused by any one person (or group of people) on this site.  It is a result of your WDFW not managing appropriately.  So you can't afford the tag....that by your own statement means I shouldn't buy it.   Shame on you for making that statement.  I can't afford the govenors tag so the person who can is taking an opportunity away from me???   Come on think about your statements before you make them.  This is nothing personal just simple logic.

[bobcat]

I've been arguing that increasing the multi season tags will increase harvest. But that doesn't mean I won't be applying for it. I applied for deer multi season last year and just for a point on the elk mutli season. So this next year the deer should be guaranteed with my 1 point, and elk a good possibility. Not sure if I'll buy both if drawn for both, though.

[Kain]

Kain....

Your true argument comes out with your last statement.  I couldn't more disgusted with it by the way.  I have done nothing to you and your season.  Don't blame the people that take advantage of opportunity that is presented to them.  Our deer problem is not caused by any one person (or group of people) on this site.  It is a result of your WDFW not managing appropriately.  So you can't afford the tag....that by your own statement means I shouldn't buy it.   Shame on you for making that statement.  I can't afford the govenors tag so the person who can is taking an opportunity away from me???   Come on think about your statements before you make them.  This is nothing personal just simple logic.

I am not saying any one person or group is doing this to me.  I am saying that instead of restoring a general season that has been eroding for decades they are switching to a "pay more to play" system.  The cost of our tags have gone up and up but the quality and length of the general seasons has gone to crap.  Unless you want to, and can, pay more.  If thats what people are happy with then so be it. 

If the deer number can handle additional pressure (which I dont feel they can) then why not restore what has been taken?  The answer is money.  I am not interested in archery vs rifle vs multi season in-fighting.  We hunters need to be on the same side and protect what we have.  If everyone is happy loosing more general season for a shot at a multi season tag every few years I will just have to live with it.  But wouldnt it be nice if they were managing the game so that the quality and odds for the general season hunters was better? 

They come to us and say:
   "Man, the deer numbers are really suffering we need to shorten the season-but leave the cost the same of course". 
Then a few years later they come back and say: 
   "Well the deer are doing well now we are going to start charging more to hunt those deer".

Just doenst seem right to me.  But hey there is always hunters that will be happy with less guys in the woods. 

[grundy53]

I'm not saying this pertains to everyone. In my case, I can take a legal deer in archery season on a regular basis. The multi tag lets me take a better deer. Just because you buy multi tag does not meen more deer are killed. I would agree with maybe more mature deer are killed. If you factor that number in to how many of the multi tag guys are killing deer I don't think your increase in total kills is going to be as big as you think.

Using the harvest report stats above:

If a hundred guys have over the counter general season tags the harvest rate is 24% (24 deer)
If that same hundred guys draw multiseason permits their harvest rate goes up to 42% (42 deer)

So yes more deer will be killed.

If you were arguing for the other side you could counter that by saying that if someone was going to pay that much for the multi season tag, then they probably are more likely to be a dedicated hunter and not one of those guys that buys their lisence and a box of shells the day before season. Therefore they were probably more likely to be successful, whether they had the MS tag or not. Which could explain the higher success rate....