Point system??

[muzbuster]

I have a question about our so called point system.
A few years ago (4-5), after repeated requests, I went elk hunting in the Nile unit with my Stepdad and his group who have hunted the area for since before the spike only and point system . All of them had always put in for the special bull & cow tags (as first and only choice area) resulting in drawing a few cow tags over the years between them, they were growing frustrated with none of them ever getting a bull tag. At that time my Stepdad and Stepbrother had some 6 points each, and once again didn't draw a special tag. So opening day comes and we run into to young guys (both in thier early 20's) come walking up to us asking if we had seen any big bulls as they had drawn tags for the area and didnt know where to go! After asking why they put in for the area not knowing where to go they said they had just thrown the hunt # down as a 3rd choice.  Then my Stepdad ask's how many points they had..both replied at the sametime..2.
Now, the question is how can someone with only 2 points and a #3 choice for that area get drawn over someone with 6 points and first choice for the area?? Any thoughts?
It just doesn't seem right to me. 

[huntnphool]

 Just luck of the draw Muz, it happens.

[trophyhunt]

What choice you put down doesn't matter, what matters is when your number is picked. The number of guys with 1 to 8 points by far out number the guys with a bunch of points. When someone is picked they go down the line of their choices untill they either draw or get not selected.  I've had the agony of defeat for 16 years while guys with 2, 4, and 6 points took all 3 tags I was applying for a couple years ago so I understand your anger, but I'm done complaining(maby) too many on here will tell you to apply for an easier tag. I hope they changed the quality tags to guys with 8 or more points only.

[Bigshooter]

If you have six points your name goes in the hat 6 times.  If I have 2 points my name goes into the hat 2 times.  If they only give out 1 tag and were the only two that put in for the tag I have a 25% chance of getting drawn and you have a 75% chance of getting drawn.  Just because you have more points does not mean you will be drawn over someone with less points.  It only means the guy with the most points has better odds of getting drawn than a guy with less points. 

As far a drawning with your 3rd choice.  Once your name is drawn they look at every choice starting with #1, before they move on to the next applicant.

[huntnphool]

If you have six points your name goes in the hat 6 times.  If I have 2 points my name goes into the hat 2 times.

 Thats not true Bigshooter, if you have 6 points your name goes in 36 times, if you have 2 points your name goes in 4 times.

[boneaddict]

Whether it seems right or not is the opinion of whomever throws their name in.   It is unlike a preference point system, which by the way I HATE, because at least you have a random chance of being drawn.   Wyoming for instance......bascally, and I use that word becasue its more complicated than that with random choice....but   you put your name in the moose hat until you have the most points for that given unit.    Right now its around 10 points for the average unit, more for some and rarely less in others.    Pick 10 points.    If you have nine, then you won't get drawn.   Next year you might have 10, but all those with 10 that didn't get drawn now have 11 and again you won't get drawn.   

Thats a preference point system.   We have a weighted bonus point system.  As Rob pointed out, the weighted portion comes from them squaring your points so your name is in the hat more and more as you build points BUT you still ahve a random chance at drawing.

[bigpaw]

I understand your frustration. I have 14 quality bull points and I only put in for two units because that is where i want to hunt.  This year a guy drew the one and only tag from my first choice with 7 points. Some hunters  get upset with the guys that draw with a low number of points, I get upset with our system. I would say it needs to change, but I would just get bashed for saying that. 

[boneaddict]

and probably lose those 14 points........

[Bob33]

In our system everyone has a chance, and no one has a guarantee.  That is the good and bad of it. 

[bobcat]

In our system everyone has a chance, and no one has a guarantee.  That is the good and bad of it.

Yep, that about sums it up.

[seth30]

I have 3 years of applying for everything, not a thing yet but points.  The day I get drawn for something is the day that I get deployed

[buckhorn2]

The unfair part for me is the guys who get the 10 points for turning someone in for a violation. Not that it is;nt right but I don;t like to feel penalized for not catching someone to go into a drawing against someone who has 20-30 or as some even 40 points does;nt seem fair. I think they should maybe be in a separate drawing or something it just seems unfair to for someone to have 14 points and have put in every year and someone jumping ahead with 20 just because they saw something another person did;nt.

[SkookumHntr]

The unfair part for me is the guys who get the 10 points for turning someone in for a violation. Not that it is;nt right but I don;t like to feel penalized for not catching someone to go into a drawing against someone who has 20-30 or as some even 40 points does;nt seem fair. I think they should maybe be in a separate drawing or something it just seems unfair to for someone to have 14 points and have put in every year and someone jumping ahead with 20 just because they saw something another person did;nt.

-I feel the same way! It burns me that people can jump ahead of me in points for turning guys in! Not that im against them getting opportunity but they should be in a different drawing/hunt or at least not be able to have more points than the guys that put in since 96!

[bobcat]

The unfair part for me is the guys who get the 10 points for turning someone in for a violation. Not that it is;nt right but I don;t like to feel penalized for not catching someone to go into a drawing against someone who has 20-30 or as some even 40 points does;nt seem fair. I think they should maybe be in a separate drawing or something it just seems unfair to for someone to have 14 points and have put in every year and someone jumping ahead with 20 just because they saw something another person did;nt.

-I feel the same way! It burns me that people can jump ahead of me in points for turning guys in! Not that im against them getting opportunity but they should be in a different drawing/hunt or at least not be able to have more than the guys that put in since 96!

I think just 1 or 2 points for turning a poacher in would be more fair. 10 points does seem excessive. And actually, I'm not sure it always is 10 points. I think it's supposed to be that you can receive "up to 10 points".

[trophyhunt]

One other complaint I have is not being able to split up your points or being able to apply only a certain amount of your points to your hunt choices. It's worth putting up all my soon to be 17 points for the tag I want, but it would be nice if I had the choice to only put up half of them and not lose all at once.  I know it sounds like too much for them to handle but it would be nice.