Contract killing of bears

[Hi-Liter]

I have never heard of the DNR of WDFW using hound hunters to kill bears on state land. As far as I know, by law they are not allowed to do so. Unless of course it's just one specific problem bear in a populated area. This is why they had the spring bear permits in Capitol Forest for several years. If they could have got depredation permits and used hound hunters to reduce the bear population like the private timber companies do, then I'm pretty sure they would have done that.

What? "not allowed to do so,"Gottatree mentioned that he has paystubbs to prove DNR pays him to kill bears on state land.

[Curly]

I have never heard of the DNR of WDFW using hound hunters to kill bears on state land. As far as I know, by law they are not allowed to do so. Unless of course it's just one specific problem bear in a populated area. This is why they had the spring bear permits in Capitol Forest for several years. If they could have got depredation permits and used hound hunters to reduce the bear population like the private timber companies do, then I'm pretty sure they would have done that.

What? "not allowed to do so,"Gottatree mentioned that he has paystubbs to prove DNR pays him to kill bears on state land.

But then in another post he says:

Timber companies pay not the state.

[gottatree]

So let me say this slower:

State paid on State land

Timber Companies paid on Timber company lands

I quit four years ago now, so currently what they do maybe completely different. I was not trying to get into a pi$%^ng contest I was just adding my  . I guess I should have made it clear what I wrote instead of just clear in my head. Sorry for the confusion 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Stories of 2,000 bear by a single hunter would seem to me to be either a wives tail or a government hunter many, many, years ago.

It's no story I read this story many years ago in the Aberdeen Daily World, but here's a copy of it in the LA Times.

Ralph came up with a concoction that bears seemed to like to eat and changed from a hunter to a feeder of bears. Not sure how well it all worked out or if his "Bear Feed" is still used, but it's an interesting story none the less. Note this story is from 1986.

http://articles.latimes.com/1986-09-28/news/mn-9706_1_bear-damage

[Sitka_Blacktail]

I guess my main gripe is that if a timber company is having problems with bears, they should have to open up their access for paying hunters before being allowed to have the state hire and pay for a professional trapper / hunter to kill them. That's OUR tax dollars being spent to hire someone to bear hunt on land that is closed to the public, yet enjoys a HUGE property tax break.
Just don't seem right...

Pretty much the same thing happens on the wheat and other farms in Eastern WA.  Farmers get 10's of thousands of dollars paid to them by the State of Washington for crop damage, but they close their land to public hunting or charge thousands to hunt it. I'd be inclined to make a rule that they can have private paid for hunting or the crop damage money, but not both. If you collect for crop damages, your land must be open to the public for hunting.

[jackmaster]

how can a timber company hire someone to bait or use hounds when there is absolutly no hunting by use of hounds or bait 

[gottatree]

how can a timber company hire someone to bait or use hounds when there is absolutly no hunting by use of hounds or bait 

Because the great liberal voters of Washington said so with the passing of I-655. The timber companies when I was hunting for them didn't let us hunt over bait stations. We could start a bear off there feeders but not shoot any at the site. What they are doing to control there problem now, I dont know about.

[jackmaster]

wow, can you hook me up with a weekend job, dead serious, i love huntn and love killn bears, got a great video of one that i killed

[bobcat]

I would assume timber companies are still getting depredation permits from the WDFW, which allow them to use hound hunters to kill bears. Not saying they don't, but I never thought timber companies had to pay the hound hunters to hunt bears. From what I know of hound hunters, they would be more than willing to just have the opportunity to chase bears with their dogs, and would do so without expecting any sort of payment whatsoever.

[gottatree]

Bobcat, we did a lot of the work for them. they where very happy with us and the would ask us to go to a lot of different ares. In state out of state they didn't have to pay us they did pay us. When called we would go!!! We caught bears!!!! We produced!!! There are a lot of people who have hounds that don't catch much. If we put the dogs down we caught if we went out we caught. If you want to think im bsing on here than fine I know what I have done. People can try to pick this a part I don't care, I'm just going to sit back and watch this i'm done. 

[jackmaster]

gottatree, if you ever need someone to go i am in i can work my ass off and i love to hear dogs run, i sure miss havn hounds and would love to go along i can even split gas with ya and i will bring the food....

[RadSav]

It's no story I read this story many years ago in the Aberdeen Daily World, but here's a copy of it in the LA Times.

Ralph came up with a concoction that bears seemed to like to eat and changed from a hunter to a feeder of bears. Not sure how well it all worked out or if his "Bear Feed" is still used, but it's an interesting story none the less. Note this story is from 1986.

http://articles.latimes.com/1986-09-28/news/mn-9706_1_bear-damage

Wow!  Thank you for that. 

I knew there were goverment hunters in the 60's that took a lot of bear, but had never read much in detail.  Also knew Weye had used a baiting program, but thought they abandoned that idea in the late eighties. 

Sounds like these gov hunters/contract killers made some serious cash.  If they received even half of that $600.00 back then and took that many bear.  Guess I was in the wrong state at the wrong time!

[Hi-Liter]

Bobcat, we did a lot of the work for them. they where very happy with us and the would ask us to go to a lot of different ares. In state out of state they didn't have to pay us they did pay us. When called we would go!!! We caught bears!!!! We produced!!! There are a lot of people who have hounds that don't catch much. If we put the dogs down we caught if we went out we caught. If you want to think im bsing on here than fine I know what I have done. People can try to pick this a part I don't care, I'm just going to sit back and watch this i'm done. 

Gottatree I know what you are saying. There is always people on here micro-reading these forum threads. Then you call them out and they whine. I am not picking your thread. I knew of someone who was paid by WDFW for treeing and killing bears. He actually said that WDFW would shoot the S*** out of them. You can take this the way you want to but, I think Gottatree is right either way they don't need a depredation permit. They call you do your job...........

[bearbaito6]

I've never seen a dime from a timber co. It would be nice to help with gas and such but in the end I just want to hear my dogs.  Gottatree You can not depredation hunt bear on state land. It's right there in the law.

[billythekidrock]

I don't know any numbers but I know some master hunters are starting to bait and kill bears now.

Are you sure about that. I was in contact last spring with the person in charge of trying to set this up. They wanted to hit specific problem areas with heavy peeling.It didnt happen fast enough.So my understanding was that it is on hold.Maybe I better make a phone call.

Yes, MH's started baiting last year in regions 5 & 6. Apparently only a few people were contacted.