Hunter backlash begins over WA wolf plan

[TheHunt]

Nice write up Dave.  I will be posting that on my facebook page. 

[buckfvr]

Lets hope everyone votes for a party change , all across the boards.  I say no to collaring etc., as anything they do as a result of our ideas will cost money, and that will cost us in the end.  We should not have any of our monies go to wolf management.  Id rather spend money on a class action law suit against the commissioners and director. 

SOmeones got to pull the proverbial rabbit out of the hat here for a fix......c'mon Dave.....If we cant come up with some way to get people in there that will make honest meaningful decissions,  its over.....I've said many times, the good ol days are over, but even that does not reflect the severity of change we will see within 10 years..........

[Jerbear]

Yeah Dave, I know what I said.  I am 72 years of age and tend to think things out.  All the things that you describe that could happen if we voted the commission, are in place right now.  My thought is that perhaps we could vote in enough people with brains to stop or at least slow down this lunacy.  Someone wrote that there are two vacant chairs on the commision.  You can apply all you want, but Gov Hogwire makes the final pick, and we know how that will go.  You may recall that when she took office, Bob Tuck from Selah and another commissioner were replaced, without their knowledge.  They had not been confirmed by the state senate, so were fair game.  Both were hunters and fishermen.  Both you could call at any time and they wouldn listen.   She did not tell them and Tuck found out from a receptionist when he called over to see why he was not getting any correspondence from them.  Years ago, Field and Stream magazine stated that WA is the most political game dept in the nation.  It hasn't changed.
In my post I mentioned two other options.  One was that someone in the higher echelon of this organization, write to them and tell them we are approimately 10,000 strong and are as mad as hell.  But no body has responded to that.  I also mentioned that they be barnstormed by a few thousand of the members on their front door.  I think I counted two people who said they would go. 
Back in the 50's 40' and early 60's the sportsmans club throughout the state would confront them, and get things changed.    Not happening anymore.
Keyboard warriors, Dave.  Keyboard warriors.
Disclaimer.  My spellcheck dosen't work, so I am not responsible for my spelling.

[pianoman9701]

Yeah Dave, I know what I said.  I am 72 years of age and tend to think things out.  All the things that you describe that could happen if we voted the commission, are in place right now.  My thought is that perhaps we could vote in enough people with brains to stop or at least slow down this lunacy.  Someone wrote that there are two vacant chairs on the commision.  You can apply all you want, but Gov Hogwire makes the final pick, and we know how that will go.  You may recall that when she took office, Bob Tuck from Selah and another commissioner were replaced, without their knowledge.  They had not been confirmed by the state senate, so were fair game.  Both were hunters and fishermen.  Both you could call at any time and they wouldn listen.   She did not tell them and Tuck found out from a receptionist when he called over to see why he was not getting any correspondence from them.  Years ago, Field and Stream magazine stated that WA is the most political game dept in the nation.  It hasn't changed.
In my post I mentioned two other options.  One was that someone in the higher echelon of this organization, write to them and tell them we are approimately 10,000 strong and are as mad as hell.  But no body has responded to that.  I also mentioned that they be barnstormed by a few thousand of the members on their front door.  I think I counted two people who said they would go. 
Back in the 50's 40' and early 60's the sportsmans club throughout the state would confront them, and get things changed.    Not happening anymore.
Keyboard warriors, Dave.  Keyboard warriors.
Disclaimer.  My spellcheck dosen't work, so I am not responsible for my spelling.

All due respects Jerbear, but I disagree with your assessment that we're keyboard warriors. If you are 72 and retired, why not take on setting up a demonstration yourself? Killbilly, Bearpaw, Machias, Kain, Bobcat, WACoyote, and many others are quite involved and contacting state officials, and attending WDFW meetings and hearings. Just because someone doesn't reply to your post, Jerbear, doesn't mean no one's doing anything. That's just flat out wrong. We may not be doing exactly what YOU think we should do, but a lot of us are working very hard on our politicians and appointed officials. Now's not the time to start in-fighting with other hunters. If you want to contribute, do it. But don't assume you're the only one. You're not.

[BOWHUNTER45]

I think we need to copy these conversions and flood the Dept .with them so they can see what we talk about all day long ...Even to Gregiore ....How ever you spell her damn name 

[Curly]

I think we need to copy these conversions and flood the Dept .with them so they can see what we talk about all day long ...Even to Gregiore ....How ever you spell her damn name 

It is simpler to simply spell it "Grinch".............

[Bigshooter]

I think we need to copy these conversions and flood the Dept .with them so they can see what we talk about all day long ...Even to Gregiore ....How ever you spell her damn name 

It is simpler to simply spell it "Grinch".............

I thought it was "Skeletor"?

[KillBilly]

I think we need to copy these conversions and flood the Dept .with them so they can see what we talk about all day long ...Even to Gregiore ....How ever you spell her damn name 

It is simpler to simply spell it "Grinch".............

I thought it was "Skeletor"?

And with less than a year left in office, why would she care how we feel. Wake up guys...we cannot even get the leading Candidates to answer a couple of easy questions.

[Curly]

Either one fits.........and is easier to spell.

[Curly]

And with less than a year left in office, why would she care how we feel. Wake up guys...we cannot even get the leading Candidates to answer a couple of easy questions.

Yup, she doesn't care. 

And most politicians aren't going to care either because most people aren't going to care about wolves.  It won't be an issue until deer/elk are almost decimated and people's pets and children start getting eaten.  Once that starts happening then the politicians will start to take notice, but until then I believe they will just think we are a bunch of whiners and Chicken Littles running around crying wolf.

But, with that said, I'm still going to write a letter to the commission, the governor, and my reps.

[woodswalker]

No, because it's the enviro wacko-friendly WDFW, it takes public opinion support. They'll never allow poisoning and I fear, never allow trapping, either, until children are killed by wolves in their yards as they play. I can only hope those casualties will be the offspring of the wolf lovers.

Wont happen unless the wolves are introduced into the big city parks. 

[KillBilly]

Jerry, I know you grew up with my Uncle and you know of my family. None of them were quitters. I also know and respect for your years of law enforcement. You must be accustomed to the politics that one has to put up with and like it or not, it does not always leave a good taste in your mouth. We (WFW) have put a lot of work into addressing the faults and shortcomings of the Wolf Plan. We sent numerous letters to any and everyone that might have any influence. We testified at the Commission Meetings, I had numerous conversations with Nate Pamplin, the assistant wildlife program director and It still did not make any difference. We lost to politics and beauracy... The other side has way more time and money than we do. They are achieving their goal. They want to do away with Hunting completely. I wish I had the answer. The next Governor might be the answer but they are avoiding our efforts to identify their positions on aome issues that might us a clue as how to vote.

You take Jerry and keep fighting the good fight.

Al Stover

[wraithen]

No, because it's the enviro wacko-friendly WDFW, it takes public opinion support. They'll never allow poisoning and I fear, never allow trapping, either, until children are killed by wolves in their yards as they play. I can only hope those casualties will be the offspring of the wolf lovers.

Wont happen unless the wolves are introduced into the big city parks. 

Anybody daydreaming of trapping a pack and releasing them in a city? Just to dream a little dream...

[rebal69972]

I think we need to copy these conversions and flood the Dept .with them so they can see what we talk about all day long ...Even to Gregiore ....How ever you spell her damn name 

what would make you think big brother isnt trolling these sight already and knows what we all think, say and where we all stand. with over half the people on this sight being guests you have to know there here

they want our money not our input

[Jerbear]

Guys I am sorry about the rant.  I guess looking back to what the Game Dept was in the 50' & 60's, and what it is today just aggravetes me to no end.  They just do not care.  If that clown Ensley gets in, it will be same old thing.  Sorry if I ticked you off.  You peolpe are family, so I am sorry.  Pianoman, you hit another subject that in a way bothers me.  My wife is now bed riddeen most of the time, so I have to stay home.  Got to deer hunt one day this season.  Had a doe tag, and scored.
It was just out from the house, so that helped.  So going to Olympia is out of the question.  Besides, I am not current on all my shots.