Hunter backlash begins over WA wolf plan

[pianoman9701]

Guys I am sorry about the rant.  I guess looking back to what the Game Dept was in the 50' & 60's, and what it is today just aggravetes me to no end.  They just do not care.  If that clown Ensley gets in, it will be same old thing.  Sorry if I ticked you off.  You peolpe are family, so I am sorry.  Pianoman, you hit another subject that in a way bothers me.  My wife is now bed riddeen most of the time, so I have to stay home.  Got to deer hunt one day this season.  Had a doe tag, and scored.
It was just out from the house, so that helped.  So going to Olympia is out of the question.  Besides, I am not current on all my shots.

Understood. My thoughts go out to you and your wife. It sounds like you have your hands full. We're working on Olympia while you're working at home at what's most important. Certainly no hard feelings. 

[haugenna]

I have already sent letters an emails to all of the comissioners telling them what I thought, and asking them to step down.  I hope more people are doing the same thing.

I sent my letter telling them that I will not be contributing the amount of money as I did this year and to figure that into their wolf plan.

[buckfvr]

I sent e-mails to the director and the commissioners......if they took my advice, they are packing at this moment....

[Jerbear]

I also emailed the director and the commission.  I also requested that they resign. I also suggested that on the opening page of their web site, that they make a small change.  It says,  Sound stewardship of fish and wildlife.  I suggested that they strike the word sound and insert the word CLOWN.

[bearpaw]

There is no doubt the more comments are sent the more they will realize hunters are not happy. If they do not recieve messages, then they will assume the wolf plan is acceptable.

Send a message every week to them....let them know you are not happy about this wolf plan. 

[remington300mag]

Obviously the methods that sportsman have tried using so far have not worked....and they will not work! We will continue to get steam rolled and have the tree huggers, wolf lovers, and anti hunting crowds views shoved down our throats! Why??? Because they don't just write letters.....Because they don't accept defeat.... Because they will scream from the mountain tops......All while we write letters! I said it before the wolf pan was accepted and I will say it again......Things will only get worse until we all decide to grow a set of balls and do something about it!! Being passive and politically correct has done nothing but cost us......and it will not stop!

The other team is celebrating another victory.....all while we are still sitting in the locker room bitching about the refs making a bad call!!! Right now I figure it is about halftime of this game......and so far we are getting our asses handed to us! I guess we will sit back and see if and when the sportsmen of Washington have decided they have been pushed around long enough! I just hope the game isn't over before everyone decides to stand up for what they believe in.....everyone decides to fight not only for their own rights......but the rights of their children and grand children!!!

Our fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers must be rolling over in their graves right now seeing what is going on! Seeing how our heritage is being destroyed.....but mostly seeing how we are allowing it to happen!! When the day comes that it is all taken away from us we will have no one to blame but ourselves! If we have since passed when it is taken.....rest assured our children will wonder why we didn't have the balls to stop it!

So, write your letters.....write the commission, the director, the government!! Just to let you all know....they have showed from recent actions....THEY DON'T CARE!!! You might as well send them a role of mountain money......your emails and letters are starting to get rough when they wipe their asses with them!!!

Anyway, I'm sorry if I sound like such a downer.....it is only because IT IS A DOWNER!!! Wake up people!! It's time to answer the bell and come out swinging!! Either that or we throw in the towel now and save people from getting carpal tunnel from writing emails!

Well, I will leave my rant there for now.....Hope you all enjoyed the read..... now get to writing your emails....the WDFW had their power shut off due to budget cuts and need the paper to start a fire with!!!

[pianoman9701]

Again, I don't know where you get this incorrect information about all of us sitting around and waiting to lose. I haven't been waiting around and neither have a great many hunters and sportsmen on this site. I don't know if you're sitting on your butt "allowing this to happen", but if so, only speak for yourself. Just this week, I've made phone calls and sent letters and emails to representatives, senators, and the commission. I know others on this site who are very active and have been working on this right along and will continue to. Many of us have attended hearings and meetings, as well. You're feeling betrayed and bitter about the situation, as many of us are. But, I suggest you don't start pointing fingers at your fellow sportsmen. Your attacks are ill-placed. They need to be aimed at the opposition.

Remington, if you need some email or mailing addresses for elected officials, phone numbers, etc., please let me know. I'd be happy to assist you to join us in addressing the issues that concern you with someone whose job it is to do something about them. Thanks for your concern for our wildlife. We're in this together as hunters and concerned conservationists.

[Odell]

If voting republican is the only hope for us then we are not in a good place. I highly doubt we will get a republican governor anytime in the next 20 years. This state is just too determined to continue the current course of madness.

I would take a socially liberal/Fiscally conservative like a hippy version of Romney to ever appeal to the masses in the Northwest.

However, if there is something that could be done by way of ballot measure, I would be willing to put time and money into that movement.

I've been voting republican my whole life. All it has given me is a 20 losing streak.

[wraithen]

How about we petition the ballot for committee appointees to be current fishermen/hunters for three consecutive years? That way we don't have ANY tree huggers in the mix.

[remington300mag]

Again, I don't know where you get this incorrect information about all of us sitting around and waiting to lose. I haven't been waiting around and neither have a great many hunters and sportsmen on this site. I don't know if you're sitting on your butt "allowing this to happen", but if so, only speak for yourself. Just this week, I've made phone calls and sent letters and emails to representatives, senators, and the commission. I know others on this site who are very active and have been working on this right along and will continue to. Many of us have attended hearings and meetings, as well. You're feeling betrayed and bitter about the situation, as many of us are. But, I suggest you don't start pointing fingers at your fellow sportsmen. Your attacks are ill-placed. They need to be aimed at the opposition.

Remington, if you need some email or mailing addresses for elected officials, phone numbers, etc., please let me know. I'd be happy to assist you to join us in addressing the issues that concern you with someone whose job it is to do something about them. Thanks for your concern for our wildlife. We're in this together as hunters and concerned conservationists.

Ya, you obviously read the whole post.....No that is alright, i wont waste my time writing any letters or making any phone calls.....you can waste your time if you like! Like I said before....the whole writing letters and making phone calls has REALLY been working hasn't it?!?! You can sit there and preach all you want about all the hard work people are putting in on these issues.....now you tell me how it made you feel to know NOTHING you did mattered?!?! Did it feel like you got slapped in the nuts??? Well it should have.....one of these days you will realize that the people getting things done are the people that are not just writing emails and making phone calls! SO, just to clear it up, I did not make an attack on anyone......what i did do was inform you that what you are doing is not working....and it never will.....you may take that as an attack because it is all you are willing to do.....but just to say it again....IT DIDN'T NOR WILL IT WORK!!! Sometimes pianoman you have to change up the game plan......

[pianoman9701]

How about we petition the ballot for committee appointees to be current fishermen/hunters for three consecutive years? That way we don't have ANY tree huggers in the mix.

How many signatures do you need for a ballot initiative? Do we have enough time to get it on the ballot for next fall? I would be willing to work on this. First we need the signatures, then we need funding to advertise the measure, because the greenies will certainly have lots of money to spend fighting it. Wraiten, please give me your thoughts on this, either through response or PM. Thanks.

[pianoman9701]

Again, I don't know where you get this incorrect information about all of us sitting around and waiting to lose. I haven't been waiting around and neither have a great many hunters and sportsmen on this site. I don't know if you're sitting on your butt "allowing this to happen", but if so, only speak for yourself. Just this week, I've made phone calls and sent letters and emails to representatives, senators, and the commission. I know others on this site who are very active and have been working on this right along and will continue to. Many of us have attended hearings and meetings, as well. You're feeling betrayed and bitter about the situation, as many of us are. But, I suggest you don't start pointing fingers at your fellow sportsmen. Your attacks are ill-placed. They need to be aimed at the opposition.

Remington, if you need some email or mailing addresses for elected officials, phone numbers, etc., please let me know. I'd be happy to assist you to join us in addressing the issues that concern you with someone whose job it is to do something about them. Thanks for your concern for our wildlife. We're in this together as hunters and concerned conservationists.

Ya, you obviously read the whole post.....No that is alright, i wont waste my time writing any letters or making any phone calls.....you can waste your time if you like! Like I said before....the whole writing letters and making phone calls has REALLY been working hasn't it?!?! You can sit there and preach all you want about all the hard work people are putting in on these issues.....now you tell me how it made you feel to know NOTHING you did mattered?!?! Did it feel like you got slapped in the nuts??? Well it should have.....one of these days you will realize that the people getting things done are the people that are not just writing emails and making phone calls! SO, just to clear it up, I did not make an attack on anyone......what i did do was inform you that what you are doing is not working....and it never will.....you may take that as an attack because it is all you are willing to do.....but just to say it again....IT DIDN'T NOR WILL IT WORK!!! Sometimes pianoman you have to change up the game plan......

I feel like I've been kicked, too. I'm just not going to give up and I'm not going to start blaming my fellow hunters for the defeat. And, I wasn't preaching. I was simply stating that you were incorrect in saying all of us have been sitting around on our asses and just making calls and sending emails. That's simply untrue. As far as changing up the game plan is concerned, lend some suggestions.

[CedarPants]

How about we petition the ballot for committee appointees to be current fishermen/hunters for three consecutive years? That way we don't have ANY tree huggers in the mix.

How many signatures do you need for a ballot initiative? Do we have enough time to get it on the ballot for next fall? I would be willing to work on this. First we need the signatures, then we need funding to advertise the measure, because the greenies will certainly have lots of money to spend fighting it. Wraiten, please give me your thoughts on this, either through response or PM. Thanks.

Would need to be able to somehow prove they are actually hunters/fishermen.  Don't forget, anti-hunting groups purchase licenses and apply for our permits in hopes of "saving" the animals from us - so simply having a license for 3 years wouldn't suffice

[wraithen]

Gotta have proof somehow you are right and I was thinking about that when I wrote it. Pictures can be faked. They could sign in a fish check in stations and game reporting stations where their harvest is checked. That would mean more boots in the woods for the state and that's not happening. I'm stumped.

[remington300mag]

Again, I don't know where you get this incorrect information about all of us sitting around and waiting to lose. I haven't been waiting around and neither have a great many hunters and sportsmen on this site. I don't know if you're sitting on your butt "allowing this to happen", but if so, only speak for yourself. Just this week, I've made phone calls and sent letters and emails to representatives, senators, and the commission. I know others on this site who are very active and have been working on this right along and will continue to. Many of us have attended hearings and meetings, as well. You're feeling betrayed and bitter about the situation, as many of us are. But, I suggest you don't start pointing fingers at your fellow sportsmen. Your attacks are ill-placed. They need to be aimed at the opposition.

Remington, if you need some email or mailing addresses for elected officials, phone numbers, etc., please let me know. I'd be happy to assist you to join us in addressing the issues that concern you with someone whose job it is to do something about them. Thanks for your concern for our wildlife. We're in this together as hunters and concerned conservationists.

Ya, you obviously read the whole post.....No that is alright, i wont waste my time writing any letters or making any phone calls.....you can waste your time if you like! Like I said before....the whole writing letters and making phone calls has REALLY been working hasn't it?!?! You can sit there and preach all you want about all the hard work people are putting in on these issues.....now you tell me how it made you feel to know NOTHING you did mattered?!?! Did it feel like you got slapped in the nuts??? Well it should have.....one of these days you will realize that the people getting things done are the people that are not just writing emails and making phone calls! SO, just to clear it up, I did not make an attack on anyone......what i did do was inform you that what you are doing is not working....and it never will.....you may take that as an attack because it is all you are willing to do.....but just to say it again....IT DIDN'T NOR WILL IT WORK!!! Sometimes pianoman you have to change up the game plan......

I feel like I've been kicked, too. I'm just not going to give up and I'm not going to start blaming my fellow hunters for the defeat. And, I wasn't preaching. I was simply stating that you were incorrect in saying all of us have been sitting around on our asses and just making calls and sending emails. That's simply untrue. As far as changing up the game plan is concerned, lend some suggestions.

Sorry for using sports as my way of getting my point across but it is what I know......
Pianoman, we are always on the defensive side of things....don't you think it is time we go on the offense? Like in a fight, we have been told that you have to wait for the bully to hit you before you can fight back.....Well, if you let the bully hit you first.....then you most likely are going to lose......NOW, what happens if you blindside that bully?? Hit him when he isn't expecting it....then take the fight to him.....Your chances of coming out on top is much better!
You need ideas......well I would say that the play book that the wolf lovers, anti hunting community is using works pretty good.....so, how about we start using the same game plan??? Lets start taking their way and using it against them!!!

I also want to say this.....I know some of you worked and are working hard for a change.....actually VERY FEW of you are! (10k people on this forum and look how few are actually speaking up)  I don't want to take anything away from what you have done, except for saying their needs to be changes...... We need a chief, someone to stand up and take the lead.....someone that can really make things happen.....someone that can get the troops together and fight a good fight! I know of a couple guys on here that have the name and the rep to make things happen.....it just is a matter of them putting there face at the forefront of the fight!! Guess if they knew they had an army of sportsman at there back....it would be easier! Fact is Pianoman, if we don't start fighting for what we believe in, someone else is going to fight to take it away!!!