Hunter backlash begins over WA wolf plan

[pianoman9701]

Again, your specific suggestions on what that offensive attack might be would be welcomed. I've written to RMEF to suggest that we use the screwed up ESA to our advantage, using the plight of the endangered woodland caribou to stop wolf reintroduction. I'm trying hard to get the hunting and 2nd Amendment views from the two gubernatorial candidates so we can put our support behind the one who most represents hunters in WA. This will put someone in office who is concerned to fill the commission with hunters instead of the extremists who have been appointed by Her Majesty Queen Gregoire.

You say it's time to change the game plan and go on the offensive like the animal rights people. What are your suggestions please?

[CedarPants]

I've said it before, but I like the idea of all 10,000 of us showing up on Gregoire's doorstep to deliver our message in person.  Everything we have to say in emails and letters - we need to keep saying - but it would get some attention if we also all showed up in perrson at once to deliver the same message

[pianoman9701]

I've said it before, but I like the idea of all 10,000 of us showing up on Gregoire's doorstep to deliver our message in person.  Everything we have to say in emails and letters - we need to keep saying - but it would get some attention if we also all showed up in perrson at once to deliver the same message

Then let's do it. Let's pick a date, like Sunday, April Fool's Day. Let's organize this and have 10K people on her lawn on a Sunday. I'm there, Bobcat. What do we do now? How do we proceed?

[remington300mag]

I've said it before, but I like the idea of all 10,000 of us showing up on Gregoire's doorstep to deliver our message in person.  Everything we have to say in emails and letters - we need to keep saying - but it would get some attention if we also all showed up in perrson at once to deliver the same message

  That is one of the ideas! Problem is getting enough people together to really make someone open their eyes...... That is why it would need to be a well thought out and planned event, with a leader that is willing to stand on the soap box and get out message across! Believe me.....if this was well put together, I honestly believe we could get more than 10k there..... It is about saving what we all believe in!!! It is time that our angry voices are heard.....time that they know we are not going to take it anymore! Either that or watch it all go away........ Oh, it also couldn't just be a one time thing....it would need to be something that happens over and over.....that way they know we aint going anywhere!
Pianoman.......I will get back to you on the ideas.....going to try and write it out to be understandable and well thought out!

[buckfvr]

Thats why I call for a vote on commissioners and director, and  you have to be a resident with a history ( like wild I.D. ) of participation in fishing and hunting since the begining of Wild ID..........OR SOME SUCH SIMILAR method of weeding out those that oppose us.

Remember too its not just the antis' , its a large part of the political arena that support the ban on guns........Ive heard it before, if we cant hunt, we dont need guns......its much bigger than our state........write your district legislators and ask them for help...Ive got republicans up here so that helps....I wouldnt ask a dem for help, but these politicos who live over here are just as upset as we are......

I also agree the day will come soon where we do need to yell and stomp at the front door in Olympia and let them see eyeball to eyeball how pissed we are........

I saw the last post and will add this....we proceed by changing the date and not posting it where they can see it and be prepared........and it should also be when it will be a noticable interuption....as in when they are in session......

[Huntbear]

I've said it before, but I like the idea of all 10,000 of us showing up on Gregoire's doorstep to deliver our message in person.  Everything we have to say in emails and letters - we need to keep saying - but it would get some attention if we also all showed up in perrson at once to deliver the same message

  That is one of the ideas! Problem is getting enough people together to really make someone open their eyes...... That is why it would need to be a well thought out and planned event, with a leader that is willing to stand on the soap box and get out message across! Believe me.....if this was well put together, I honestly believe we could get more than 10k there..... It is about saving what we all believe in!!! It is time that our angry voices are heard.....time that they know we are not going to take it anymore! Either that or watch it all go away........ Oh, it also couldn't just be a one time thing....it would need to be something that happens over and over.....that way they know we aint going anywhere!
Pianoman.......I will get back to you on the ideas.....going to try and write it out to be understandable and well thought out!

Why is it the ANTI'S  can get thousands at the drop of a hat to go protest something?  But we have a hard time getting a couple hundred?  Are we that lethargic?  Or is it that us hunters and gun owners really JUST DONT GIVE A DAMN??

[pianoman9701]

Thats why I call for a vote on commissioners and director, and  you have to be a resident with a history ( like wild I.D. ) of participation in fishing and hunting since the begining of Wild ID..........OR SOME SUCH SIMILAR method of weeding out those that oppose us.

Remember too its not just the antis' , its a large part of the political arena that support the ban on guns........Ive heard it before, if we cant hunt, we dont need guns......its much bigger than our state........write your district legislators and ask them for help...Ive got republicans up here so that helps....I wouldnt ask a dem for help, but these politicos who live over here are just as upset as we are......

I also agree the day will come soon where we do need to yell and stomp at the front door in Olympia and let them see eyeball to eyeball how pissed we are........

I saw the last post and will add this....we proceed by changing the date and not posting it where they can see it and be prepared........and it should also be when it will be a noticable interuption....as in when they are in session......

The problem with them being in session is that many can't come during the week. Our numbers would be twice as big on a weekend day. What we don't accomplish by hitting them during a session, we can accomplish by alerting the media and with the numbers of people we produce. As far as changing the date is concerned, how would you propose making it a secret and yet getting everyone to show? You'll never know who someone really is online. The antis will find out, but if we even got a thousand people to show, they'd never be able to come close. They're only big in dollars, not in actual supporters.

[remington300mag]

I am also really wanting to see if some of the "Big Names" on here are in support of this idea....and wondering if they are willing to be a part of it! The more big names that get involved the more people will come out of the woodwork.....I know we all know who the big names are on here with a lot of followers. Lets hope they are also willing to stand up and try and save our rights.......

[remington300mag]

Thats why I call for a vote on commissioners and director, and  you have to be a resident with a history ( like wild I.D. ) of participation in fishing and hunting since the begining of Wild ID..........OR SOME SUCH SIMILAR method of weeding out those that oppose us.

Remember too its not just the antis' , its a large part of the political arena that support the ban on guns........Ive heard it before, if we cant hunt, we dont need guns......its much bigger than our state........write your district legislators and ask them for help...Ive got republicans up here so that helps....I wouldnt ask a dem for help, but these politicos who live over here are just as upset as we are......

I also agree the day will come soon where we do need to yell and stomp at the front door in Olympia and let them see eyeball to eyeball how pissed we are........

I saw the last post and will add this....we proceed by changing the date and not posting it where they can see it and be prepared........and it should also be when it will be a noticable interuption....as in when they are in session......

The problem with them being in session is that many can't come during the week. Our numbers would be twice as big on a weekend day. What we don't accomplish by hitting them during a session, we can accomplish by alerting the media and with the numbers of people we produce. As far as changing the date is concerned, how would you propose making it a secret and yet getting everyone to show? You'll never know who someone really is online. The antis will find out, but if we even got a thousand people to show, they'd never be able to come close. They're only big in dollars, not in actual supporters.

Here is a question I would ask anyone that questions a mid week protest......Is one days pay worth saving your hunting heritage?? Not only for you but your kids and future generations???

[pianoman9701]

I am also really wanting to see if some of the "Big Names" on here are in support of this idea....and wondering if they are willing to be a part of it! The more big names that get involved the more people will come out of the woodwork.....I know we all know who the big names are on here with a lot of followers. Lets hope they are also willing to stand up and try and save our rights.......

I think they'd absolutely get involved. Why wouldn't they? Why don't you please send PMs to the "big names" yourself and let them know how you feel.

[pianoman9701]

Thats why I call for a vote on commissioners and director, and  you have to be a resident with a history ( like wild I.D. ) of participation in fishing and hunting since the begining of Wild ID..........OR SOME SUCH SIMILAR method of weeding out those that oppose us.

Remember too its not just the antis' , its a large part of the political arena that support the ban on guns........Ive heard it before, if we cant hunt, we dont need guns......its much bigger than our state........write your district legislators and ask them for help...Ive got republicans up here so that helps....I wouldnt ask a dem for help, but these politicos who live over here are just as upset as we are......

I also agree the day will come soon where we do need to yell and stomp at the front door in Olympia and let them see eyeball to eyeball how pissed we are........

I saw the last post and will add this....we proceed by changing the date and not posting it where they can see it and be prepared........and it should also be when it will be a noticable interuption....as in when they are in session......

The problem with them being in session is that many can't come during the week. Our numbers would be twice as big on a weekend day. What we don't accomplish by hitting them during a session, we can accomplish by alerting the media and with the numbers of people we produce. As far as changing the date is concerned, how would you propose making it a secret and yet getting everyone to show? You'll never know who someone really is online. The antis will find out, but if we even got a thousand people to show, they'd never be able to come close. They're only big in dollars, not in actual supporters.

Here is a question I would ask anyone that questions a mid week protest......Is one days pay worth saving your hunting heritage?? Not only for you but your kids and future generations???

Your question is obviously pointed at me. You should just use my name and be direct, Rem. I was simply stating a fact. More people will be available on a weekend day than a weekday. Some people will be able to take a weekday off, but many will not. Hunting heritage or not, some people will never be able to get time off during the week.

[remington300mag]

I am also really wanting to see if some of the "Big Names" on here are in support of this idea....and wondering if they are willing to be a part of it! The more big names that get involved the more people will come out of the woodwork.....I know we all know who the big names are on here with a lot of followers. Lets hope they are also willing to stand up and try and save our rights.......

I think they'd absolutely get involved. Why wouldn't they? Why don't you please send PMs to the "big names" yourself and let them know how you feel.

GREAT idea...i will.....lets see the response! lol The reason I ask is because in some issues like this I have seen in the past some of the big names don't step up and declare their support......it's like they are afraid to put their heads out there.......But what I want them to know is they are viewed as leaders.... respected members of the hunting community.....and we need them to really make this work!

[remington300mag]

Thats why I call for a vote on commissioners and director, and  you have to be a resident with a history ( like wild I.D. ) of participation in fishing and hunting since the begining of Wild ID..........OR SOME SUCH SIMILAR method of weeding out those that oppose us.

Remember too its not just the antis' , its a large part of the political arena that support the ban on guns........Ive heard it before, if we cant hunt, we dont need guns......its much bigger than our state........write your district legislators and ask them for help...Ive got republicans up here so that helps....I wouldnt ask a dem for help, but these politicos who live over here are just as upset as we are......

I also agree the day will come soon where we do need to yell and stomp at the front door in Olympia and let them see eyeball to eyeball how pissed we are........

I saw the last post and will add this....we proceed by changing the date and not posting it where they can see it and be prepared........and it should also be when it will be a noticable interuption....as in when they are in session......

The problem with them being in session is that many can't come during the week. Our numbers would be twice as big on a weekend day. What we don't accomplish by hitting them during a session, we can accomplish by alerting the media and with the numbers of people we produce. As far as changing the date is concerned, how would you propose making it a secret and yet getting everyone to show? You'll never know who someone really is online. The antis will find out, but if we even got a thousand people to show, they'd never be able to come close. They're only big in dollars, not in actual supporters.

Here is a question I would ask anyone that questions a mid week protest......Is one days pay worth saving your hunting heritage?? Not only for you but your kids and future generations???

Your question is obviously pointed at me. You should just use my name and be direct, Rem. I was simply stating a fact. More people will be available on a weekend day than a weekday. Some people will be able to take a weekday off, but many will not. Hunting heritage or not, some people will never be able to get time off during the week.

Please believe me when I say it was not directed to at all or in anyway...... If it was I would be more than happy to put your name in there..... but it was not. I promise you that.....

[PlateauNDN]

Good link.  Thanks Dave.  Now, who do we have to boot out of office to get this shut down and killed?  Am sick of taking it in the shorts for every animal/tree hugger that has a fantasy about wolves, and bears, and cougars and whatever else.....

Maybe we need an "Occupy WDFW Offices" protest started...... heck, the other ones got national exposure...   

HB:

It's a bit late to get it killed but (and some folks here may not like this but here goes)...the ONLY way to bring some kind of sanity to this is to change governors and the political party of the governor.

TRANSLATION: In November 2012...vote Republican, period, end of story. I don't care if your daddy and granddaddy and momma voted Democrat, and your union tells you to vote Democrat...vote Republican. Change the course of government from the top down.  That is the ONLY way you are going to start cleaning up this mess. 

The governor appoints the wildlife commissioners. Get a governor in office who will appoint people to the commission who actually hunt deer and elk, and that means every seat on the commission, find a new wildlife director and do a performance audit on the WDFW...and, as I've said on other threads, including this one:
 
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,87738.165.html

we need to send some wolf advocates packing.

And lastly...we need someone who will take the Butch Otter approach:  Send a letter to the Interior Secretary and tell him point blank: My game cops will not respond to wolf complaints.  My state will not investigate wolf problems.

NOW UNDERSTAND this:  I don't have a desire to wipe out wolves.  But this plan for 15 breeding pairs is somebody's wet dream. They didn't, far as I can remember, suggest that many for Montana or Idaho IIRC. 

We've got 5 confirmed packs.  We need to amend the wolf management plan to set that as the goal. Five packs, anywhere in the state. The we manage the damn things ourselves and tell the feds to pound sand.

Anyone in the agency who doesn't like that..McDonald's is hiring. Expect lawsuits. Fine. We'll take money out of the DSHS budget, or maybe the Supt. of Public Instruction's budget, and move it to the Attorney General's office. 

Work with the Colvilles on this one. Identify the problem and turn them and their attorneys loose. This is an issue we can work with the tribes to resolve to our satisfaction and to the benefit of the elk and deer herds.

But that's just me talking.

And I haven't yet decided to run for Governor, although it's been suggested ...

As much as SOME of you may hate to agree with but at this point in the game this is probably the best shot at getting this reopened, reviewed and taken before any court system.  The Colvilles are not the only Tribe not happy about the wolves being reintroduced and even down here they hold cultural significance but I would not want them at the level the State wants them and majority of the hunters I've already talked to just down here don't want them here either. 

Also, good article and you have my vote!

[buckfvr]

Yep.....I know plenty of guys who will skip a days work to do this when it would have the most impact......during the week.  Week ends   It would be totally worthless to do it when only the security personel are there.....press on the weekend   Same dang thing.....It has to be done when it will get the most attention or we may as well stay home.