Shooting cow with calf

[big wood]

so let me ask???     why does the game departments (other states as well) have quotas on female cats in area. oh it must be to maintain a healythy cat population. they have lots of areas that are open until x amount of females are killed then it is closed. and big boy I gaurantee this redneck aint looking at the ground.

[Practical Approach]

Well, if a person wants to "conserve" elk, the logical choice would be to shoot a calf rather than a cow. Kill a calf and you have only taken one elk, kill a cow and you've taken out two.

IMPO taking out an old mature cow is conservation, she has served her purpose and has reproduce more than 1 calf.

Wow. That is puttin some pressure on folks.  It is kind of tough to pick out an old cow that has already at the end of her reproductive cycle.  They can reproduce well into their teens and live into their 20's.    Now not only do I look for three point or better, but I need to ask the cows for their AARP cards. 

[big wood]

 

[funkster]

Well, if a person wants to "conserve" elk, the logical choice would be to shoot a calf rather than a cow. Kill a calf and you have only taken one elk, kill a cow and you've taken out two.

IMPO taking out an old mature cow is conservation, she has served her purpose and has reproduce more than 1 calf.

Wow. That is puttin some pressure on folks.  It is kind of tough to pick out an old cow that has already at the end of her reproductive cycle.  They can reproduce well into their teens and live into their 20's.    Now not only do I look for three point or better, but I need to ask the cows for their AARP cards.

ha ha ha...ROLFLMAO ,loved the AARP comment!

If you have done any research on elk, you would know how to tell a mature animal,it is not really that hard.

I am not saying everyone should only take mature animals. All I am saying is if more hunters where educated on how to make healthier herds they might not shoot immature animals so often and complain "I didn't see many elk this year". It has been already proven that mature animals passing genes combined with a good bull/cow ratio make for stronger herds.




 

[buck man]

Shoot the cow!!

[huntnnw]

this is one of the dumbest discussions Ive ever seen on here! The damn calf is completly self sufficient by august and even in July. If your hunting female species only ie: unit or tag requirements then who gives a flying chit what cow yourshooting or calf..its pretty damn obvious that id your hunting antlerless its meat on the table end of story.

[Glockster]

Shoot the hostage!!!     I mean the cow with the AARP card!!! 

Please more armchair biology!!!!  Keep it up.....please...this has the potential to be one of the more entertaining threads of the year.  Only 3 more weeks left in the year>  You can do it!!! 

[Hi-Liter]

Glockster-So, if you shoot the Cow with the Calf. How do you know the Calf will make it, do we find the Calf and put a collar around its neck? I mean every one says, by august the calf will make, but we don't have any eveidence will support that. I think we need more Armchair Biologist to comment, don't you. Just trying to keep it going.

[Glockster]

Glockster-So, if you shoot the Cow with the Calf. How do you know the Calf will make it, do we find the Calf and put a collar around its neck? I mean every one says, by august the calf will make, but we don't have any eveidence will support that. I think we need more Armchair Biologist to comment, don't you. Just trying to keep it going.

That's an easy one.  Carry a little baby bottle with you.  If the calf trots up to suckle off the teeet you need to call Pasado Safe Haven ,PETA or the local wildlife rescue folks immediately and turn yourself in.  KIRO will do a story about your superior ethics and the sacrafice you're making to "make the herds explode".  Quality deer / elk management at its finest moment.   LOL

[YellowDog]

In the interest of keeping this thread going and dumbing it down even further, how do you know that either the cow or the calf will make it through the season/winter/etc?  In the interest of conservation I guess we should not hunt elk at all, let them all live as long as they are going to live and let the wolves, coyotes, and cars kill them all.  We can just pick up the scraps and road kill for our food.  Now thats conservation, right because that way we are sure that the bulls and cows that are going to "make it" aren't killed by a hunter and will live as long as they are going to live so that they can breed. 

I'll say it again, an antlerless elk is an antlerless elk and as long as it is legal to shoot an antlerless elk it is STUPID for anyone to bash or try to convice another hunter that they are completely right when arguing that we shouldn't shoot a calf or a cow.

[Hi-Liter]

Glockster-So, if you shoot the Cow with the Calf. How do you know the Calf will make it, do we find the Calf and put a collar around its neck? I mean every one says, by august the calf will make, but we don't have any eveidence will support that. I think we need more Armchair Biologist to comment, don't you. Just trying to keep it going.

That's an easy one.  Carry a little baby bottle with you.  If the calf trots up to suckle off the teeet you need to call Pasado Safe Haven ,PETA or the local wildlife rescue folks immediately and turn yourself in.  KIRO will do a story about your superior ethics and the sacrafice you're making to "make the herds explode".  Quality deer / elk management at its finest moment.   LOL

This is even easier, I never mentioned "make the herds explode." Does that make me a PETA lover, or should I call KIRO and mentioned that I am saving the animals, heck no. I would definitely not want KIRO around regardless if you hunt or dislike hunting. In my own opinion, at least give a calf a chance. Do I care that you shoot one or someone else does, no. I may not like it, but it sure doesn't make me an animal lover. 

If the calf is walking up to you, seeking your teeet as you suggested then there is something definitely wrong.

All some of us are saying is we have our opinions and you do too. Doesn't mean we are against hunting, just conservation.

[Glockster]

Elk herds in this state are weak and are getting weaker every year due to this mentality of "shoot anything that moves". Shooting a cow with a calf or shooting a calf  to me is greed and the "I have to get something" syndrom. I could understand if you where living off the land and that was your sole means of survival, however, no modern hunter in this day and age fits that bill. Instead of buying tags, weapons and gas spend that money at costco,you will get way more meat for the dollar.

FUNNY stuff there!!!  This is exactly verbatim what birkenstock wearing peta smoking tatoo'd and pierced up chicks say at Seattle cocktail parties when they find out I'm a hunter.    If you're that concerned about the "health" of the WA elk herds, don't kill them.

[Hi-Liter]

Elk herds in this state are weak and are getting weaker every year due to this mentality of "shoot anything that moves". Shooting a cow with a calf or shooting a calf  to me is greed and the "I have to get something" syndrom. I could understand if you where living off the land and that was your sole means of survival, however, no modern hunter in this day and age fits that bill. Instead of buying tags, weapons and gas spend that money at costco,you will get way more meat for the dollar.

FUNNY stuff there!!!  This is exactly verbatim what birkenstock wearing peta smoking tatoo'd and pierced up chicks say at Seattle cocktail parties when they find out I'm a hunter.    If you're that concerned about the "health" of the WA elk herds, don't kill them.

Hey, if she eats elk meat who cares then, right? just don't tell her about the little calf sucking the teet story.

 I knew a lady once that worked for paws, absolutely hated hunters, but she would sure eat a cow meat (not elk)  if it was still mooing. Made me sick, the meat was still quivering no joke. Now that is having it both ways.

[buck man]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDYQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fanimalrangeextension.montana.edu%2Fattachments%2Fknight%2FElk%2520Management%2520for%2520Montana%2520Landowners.pdf&ei=byjhTtS0JPTciALC2d3_Dg&usg=AFQjCNG_f05ntDjXyVp84ZwcSSz-uxpYEw

Try this link.  Calves do and will survive without mom by fall.!

[igotbigbulls]

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