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Re: Protest Wildlife Commission at Governor's Mansion. 4/1/12?
« Reply #150 on: December 08, 2011, 10:19:11 AM »
piano ...this is a good letter and Do you think we should all use this same letter and make a copy and send it to each legis. but each signing our own name ? or would it be best to each make our own ... I like the way you pointed out the issues !

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Re: Protest Wildlife Commission at Governor's Mansion. 4/1/12?
« Reply #151 on: December 08, 2011, 10:21:48 AM »
Do whatever you have the time to do. Write your own if you can or copy mine and sign your name. At the very least, they'll see a bunch of us writing and take note. Either will get attention.
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Re: Protest Wildlife Commission at Governor's Mansion. 4/1/12?
« Reply #152 on: December 08, 2011, 10:37:34 AM »
Guess I make this a full day of ranting  :dunno: :chuckle:  :chuckle:

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Re: Protest Wildlife Commission at Governor's Mansion. 4/1/12?
« Reply #153 on: December 08, 2011, 11:00:00 AM »
After reading Bearpaw's post and Cedar's information from his thread to do with confirmation of Kehne to the commission, and after going to the Conservation NW's website to find out what a pro-wolf organization they are, it is my opinion that we should move up the date of the demonstration to sometime in February or early March and demonstrate the legislature to derail this confirmation and, as Blackdog's last post suggested, request from them the removal of other animal rights-inclined and wolf loving commissioners.

The official announcement from the WDFW about these appointments would lead us to believe that both of these guys are regular guys and hunters, and now, it is apparent to me that the WDFW and the governor are purposely deceiving us so as to have more pro-wolf commissioners confirmed with the blessing of the hunting community. This is not only inexcusable, but may well be illegal.

I propose that we look at a much earlier date for the demonstration to achieve this additional goal. Please give your thoughts. Also, please join WFW quickly so we can move this thread to a private forum and start planning without giving our opponents too much ammo. All of you who are so vocally in favor of demonstrating, put your words into action right away, please. Thanks,
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Just a thought....The Commission meetings typically take place on Fri-Sat. Why not pick one of the Saturday dates. The 2012 dates are 3/9-10, 4/13-14, 6/1-2  (March is in Moses lake tho)
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Re: Protest Wildlife Commission at Governor's Mansion. 4/1/12?
« Reply #154 on: December 08, 2011, 11:03:22 AM »
This is good. We should also NOT PURCHASE licenses and take that money and use it to fund this. Now would be the perfect time for the perfect storm to hit them in the pocket book and force them to listin to the user group!!!!
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Re: Protest Wildlife Commission at Governor's Mansion. 4/1/12?
« Reply #155 on: December 08, 2011, 11:05:38 AM »
After reading Bearpaw's post and Cedar's information from his thread to do with confirmation of Kehne to the commission, and after going to the Conservation NW's website to find out what a pro-wolf organization they are, it is my opinion that we should move up the date of the demonstration to sometime in February or early March and demonstrate the legislature to derail this confirmation and, as Blackdog's last post suggested, request from them the removal of other animal rights-inclined and wolf loving commissioners.



The official announcement from the WDFW about these appointments would lead us to believe that both of these guys are regular guys and hunters, and now, it is apparent to me that the WDFW and the governor are purposely deceiving us so as to have more pro-wolf commissioners confirmed with the blessing of the hunting community. This is not only inexcusable, but may well be illegal.

I propose that we look at a much earlier date for the demonstration to achieve this additional goal. Please give your thoughts. Also, please join WFW quickly so we can move this thread to a private forum and start planning without giving our opponents too much ammo. All of you who are so vocally in favor of demonstrating, put your words into action right away, please. Thanks,
Pman

Just a thought....The Commission meetings typically take place on Fri-Sat. Why not pick one of the Saturday dates. The 2012 dates are 3/9-10, 4/13-14, 6/1-2  (March is in Moses lake tho)
http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings.html

We're actually considering protesting the legislature to not only bring attention to the wolf program mistakes, but to keep the commission from further being loaded with anti-hunters/pro-wolfers. It may be earlier than those dates.
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Re: Protest Wildlife Commission at Governor's Mansion. 4/1/12?
« Reply #156 on: December 08, 2011, 11:22:28 AM »
I like the letter but I think you need mass endorsements of GROUPS to pile on vs John Q. Public.  Both are good, individuals and groups.  I think every hunting/sporting association should be on board as well as mass signatures at every sporting goods store.  I don't think it would be difficult to get hundreds of thousands of signatures in a few months if we could get the word out in a unified voice.   :twocents:
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Re: Protest Wildlife Commission at Governor's Mansion. 4/1/12?
« Reply #157 on: December 08, 2011, 11:42:17 AM »
I do not know about the signature thing anymore... last time we got hundreds of signatures to bring back the pilot program and sent them in and got nothen .... :dunno: :twocents:

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Re: Protest Wildlife Commission at Governor's Mansion. 4/1/12?
« Reply #158 on: December 08, 2011, 11:46:52 AM »
I like the letter but I think you need mass endorsements of GROUPS to pile on vs John Q. Public.  Both are good, individuals and groups.  I think every hunting/sporting association should be on board as well as mass signatures at every sporting goods store.  I don't think it would be difficult to get hundreds of thousands of signatures in a few months if we could get the word out in a unified voice.   :twocents:

I agree with much of what you say, Gringo. I think probably hundreds of thousands of signatures might be overstepping a bit by February or early March. I'm open to help or advice on getting these done. Thank you!
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Re: Protest Wildlife Commission at Governor's Mansion. 4/1/12?
« Reply #159 on: December 08, 2011, 01:16:42 PM »
Do whatever you have the time to do. Write your own if you can or copy mine and sign your name. At the very least, they'll see a bunch of us writing and take note. Either will get attention.

Poly Sci 101 question here.... when I searched for the representatives in my area ( http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/ )I get different people for Legislative vs Congressional. Which group of folks does this apply to or both?
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Re: Protest Wildlife Commission at Governor's Mansion. 4/1/12?
« Reply #160 on: December 08, 2011, 01:25:34 PM »
Do whatever you have the time to do. Write your own if you can or copy mine and sign your name. At the very least, they'll see a bunch of us writing and take note. Either will get attention.

Poly Sci 101 question here.... when I searched for the representatives in my area ( http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/ )I get different people for Legislative vs Congressional. Which group of folks does this apply to or both?

Both. these will go into committees for discussion, I assume. Sometimes, they never get out of committee and the person is left in the position without confirmation. If enough people raise a ruckus with their reps, their reps will push for a vote to have them removed or go to their caucuses to band together before a vote. Let them all know how you feel. The more the better.
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Re: Protest Wildlife Commission at Governor's Mansion. 4/1/12?
« Reply #161 on: December 08, 2011, 01:56:06 PM »
My letter to both my state representatives and senator.

Dear Senator Benton,
 
Please carefully consider voting against the appointment of Jay Kehne to our WDFW Wildlife Commission.The bulletin that the WDFW sent out yesterday about the appointees is deceptive and is intended to lull hunters into thinking that the WDFW has finally found people who support hunters and sportsmen across Washington state. Kehne does not. His views on animal rights are extreme and he will not represent the people who spend the money on licenses to pay the bills of the WDFW, our hunters and fishermen. He works for an organization which does NOT support hunting and responsible game Management, Conservation NW. This is not someone who should be allowed to write policy for Fish & Wildlife.
 
We hunters have responsibly conserved and made possible the recoveries of our wildlife since the early 1900s through our license dollars and our millions of volunteered hours of conservation work. No other groups have done anywhere near the amount of conservation work as hunters have, none. Our wildlife is successful and abundant almost completely due to hunters efforts. Accepting people who do not support hunting into the wildlife commission is a slap in the face to the people who've done the real work for our wildlife in our state.
 
The WDFW's wolf plan will do irreparable harm to our state's wildlife, especially the endangered woodland caribou, elk, and deer. We know this from the experiences of MT, WY, and ID. In adopting the new wolf plan, our WDFW has completely ignored the disastrous effects of over-introducing wolves in those states. Those states have less aggressive plans than the one our WDFW just adopted , much lower human population and population densities, and some of their herds are now down by 80%. Idaho isn't even coming close to culling the number of wolves it needs to stabilize their population and either has Montana. Their wolf reintroduction programs started 16 years ago. ID's revenues related to license purchases and hunting-related economy are down more than $20 million this year alone. Guide services and related business in MT are going out of business at an alarming rate and ranchers and taking huge losses. We need to learn from their mistakes and it appears the WDFW refuses to do so. This plan, if it stands, will harm wildlife populations, business (including our ranchers), and tourism in this state.
 
Senator Benton, this is not the time to jeopardize WDFW budget money from hunting licenses by turning the wildlife commission into an anti-hunting organization. Please vote against Kehne's appointment, replace other anti-hunters on the commission, and send a message to hunters across the state that you acknowledge their contributions and feel that the wildlife commission of the WDFW is not the place to forward a political, anti-hunting agenda. Thank you for your consideration of my request. I request the courtesy of a reply. Thank you.
 
 
Most Sincerely,
 
John W
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Great letter...... I will mention moose in my letter, otherwise it will be much like yours.   :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:
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Re: Protest Wildlife Commission at Governor's Mansion. 4/1/12?
« Reply #162 on: December 08, 2011, 02:02:57 PM »
 :tup:  Awsome letter...   :tup:

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Re: Protest Wildlife Commission at Governor's Mansion. 4/1/12?
« Reply #163 on: December 08, 2011, 02:04:12 PM »
:tup:  Awsome letter...   :tup:

I know. I'm like Mark Twain, right?  :chuckle: :chuckle:
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« Reply #164 on: December 08, 2011, 02:07:46 PM »
 :bash: :bash: :bash: :chuckle:
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