Lumenok Poll Results

[Machias]

Nope, it should be a free for all, if the archer wants it, no matter what he should be allowed to use it/do it, in the name finding shot game of course.  (Extreme Sarcasim)  I wonder how we ever found all those bowkilled animals without the little light on the end of the arrow.  I guess these will replace tracking skills, finding tracks on the ground and seeing where the animal went, looking at blood and hair, following sign.  It'll be awesome we won't have to work on any of these skills, we'll just be able to see the light and find the animals.  Awesome!  I really should stay away from this subject.  Wait, I saw the horse quiver, I better hit it one more time!!!    I hope this hurries up and becomes legal so we can all go back to fighting about things that are important like shot distance.   

    

[Archeryoutfitters]

Should there be any limits at all for what archery equipment can do.  At what point does technology become too much.  Any self imposed lines?

ya a stick bow and a wooden arrow we would all be equal and the 1/2 that stuck would fall in love with ,   but is that fair to our kids that we be the judge for there hunting experience and there kids and there kids just because we felt uncomfortable about a compound bow, or a fall away, or carbon arrows, that revolutionized the archery world.
 

[boneaddict]

I wonder how we ever found all those bowkilled deer without the little light on the end of the arrow.

I wonder this every time I see one of these threads.........   I still say GPS inserts.  Hell, they are probably lighter than a lumenock

[Archeryoutfitters]

Nope, it should be a free for all, if the archer wants it, no matter what he should be allowed to use it/do it, in the name finding shot game of course.  (Extreme Sarcasim)  I wonder how we ever found all those bowkilled animals without the little light on the end of the arrow.  I guess these will replace tracking skills, finding tracks on the ground and seeing where the animal went, looking at blood and hair, following sign.  It'll be awesome we won't have to work on any of these skills, we'll just be able to see the light and find the animals.  Awesome!  I really should stay away from this subject.  Wait, I saw the horse quiver, I better hit it one more time!!!    I hope this hurries up and becomes legal so we can all go back to fighting about things that are important like shot distance.   

    

I agree with utilizing every tracking skill out there, and you will need them all at one time or another, i have followed a drip of blood for miles along with tracks kicked up dirt. we don't know the word quite. and we found all 4 of our gut shot deer this season, but if there is something so simple that might help even a little tiny bit i'm all for it. why not?   

[Archeryoutfitters]

ahhh we just need to get these, then with lighted GPS locating nocks we will never need to learn to track, follow bloodtrails or ... heaven sake ... take a good ethical shot?

http://www.clean-shot.com/laser.htm   

Is the horse dead yet?

I think most spoiled shots were interned as a good ethical shots when the arrow left the bow, it is what takes place between that time and the impact that causes us the problems 

[billythekidrock]

I wonder how we ever found all those bowkilled deer without the little light on the end of the arrow.

I wonder this every time I see one of these threads.........   I still say GPS inserts.  Hell, they are probably lighter than a lumenock

And then they would actually aide in recovery!

[Snapshot]

I wonder how we ever found all those bowkilled deer without the little light on the end of the arrow.

I wonder this every time I see one of these threads.........   I still say GPS inserts.  Hell, they are probably lighter than a lumenock

And then they would actually aide in recovery!

Only if it stays in the animal...I've only had one animal that still had the fletch end of the arrow still in him at the end of the trail; and one that still had the broadhead still in it (embedded in bone). On the others the arrow had broken and both ends had fallen out...

The ONLY PROVEN recovery aid that can be implemented is a trailing dog.

Machias, you crack me up. Cheers to you (imagine me taking a sip of my drink). I hear the echo in my head of you writing that a trailing dog is legal...but our regulations aren't written in such a way as to make most people comfortable in taking a dog to the blood trail. That should be changed.

[Snapshot]

Should there be any limits at all for what archery equipment can do.  At what point does technology become too much.  Any self imposed lines?

ya a stick bow and a wooden arrow we would all be equal and the 1/2 that stuck would fall in love with ,   but is that fair to our kids that we be the judge for there hunting experience and there kids and there kids just because we felt uncomfortable about a compound bow, or a fall away, or carbon arrows, that revolutionized the archery world.
 

Judges are for after the crime. What I feel I owe to my kids is to be a beacon; a guiding light. And I feel that leaving my future grandkids an archery hunting experience that is less than what I've had the privilege to enjoy over the past forty years would be robbing them of the greatest of hunting challenges that modern man has known. If archery seasons get severly whacked (or eliminated) because the justification for them gets rubbed out thanks to advances in equipment, then my grandkids will be justified in viewing this generation as a failure.

[boneaddict]

A-men to that

[huntnphool]

 WDFW has never restricted hunting seasons in lieu of equipment modernization, nor have they ever suggested it as a possibilty, I don't see why this keeps being brought up.

[Snapshot]

WDFW has never restricted hunting seasons in lieu of equipment modernization, nor have they ever suggested it as a possibilty, I don't see why this keeps being brought up.

Dadgumit, H-n-phoo, I've written it before, on topic, and will again, that Commissioner Perry asked me point blank at a commission meeting in Olympia not three years ago (and I am paraphrasing here), "Aren't you guys concerned that you are going to get too efficient? When are you going to draw the line on technology in archery?" They are RECOGNIZING that it is evolving. And if it continues to evolve, the (short-range sport) justification for a separate season will be erased.

[Snapshot]

... i get to talk to a large amount of avid bow hunters from allover the united states every year and not one person who uses them have had a bad thing to say.... but my main goal is animal recovery.

Has any hunter from another state ever asked you if you could use a trailing dog to find a wounded animal? Since "a wound is the same as a kill" and they pay for it accordingly I would think the subject might have come up. Has it?

[Archeryoutfitters]

yes it has,  i just finished a book about it called.... tracking dogs for finding WOUNDED GAME by: John Jeanneney a very good book and educational but you think lighted nocks is a issue, we just drought it up at the game com. meeting in chewelah last week and there will have to be a lot of education and willingness to ever even get it looked at.
John Jeanneney is more than willing to help any one out that wants to undertake this adventure but our state wont even allow hounds in the woods any more??

[huntnphool]

Dadgumit, H-n-phoo, I've written it before

 LOL, at least I know you are paying attention now.

 Whats said between two guys having a chat is far from WDFW giving us as hunters a ultimatum. They have NEVER cut seasons or publically suggested that they would, in lieu of improved gear. If they were concerned about lumenoks being the final straw then don't you think they would have worded the poll a little different. "Should lumenoks be allowed in Lieu of a shorter season" type of question?

 Lets face it, the majority the trad guys are not using "trad" gear but rather improved trad gear, ie; broadheads, modern laminates, modern strings etc. I'd be willing to bet that the majority use range finders at some point too.

 What I'm getting at is all the user groups have seen improvements of our gear over the years, I hardly think a "pro active" lumenok is going to be the "determining factor".

 

[boneaddict]

For the most part I agree Rob.   I doubt it will be the final straw. I wonder what the final straw will be.   Its the utube video of the dude shooting 200+ yards and that kind of modernization of a weapon that is probably going to do it.   I think of it as tapping the brakes a bit to slow down the momentum of where the industry is going.   Listening to how feverish folks get over how this is such a necessary item, yet in my eyes such a needless item is more of an issue I think then the nock itself.   If that makes any sense.   Its like folks turn to technology for the answer to kill or improve thier ability.    Folks look for it to give them an edge.  Folks use it as a shortcut.  The latter being what concerns me a bit. 
For the most part, I am argueing against the thing because so many are saying its a must have.