Ar-15

[Huntbear]

No I havent kiled anything yet...it is also well known I am an emotional mess prone to feeling and not always thinking....and I would trade who I am to be someone else on damn near most days..... but you seem to get off making cheap shots.....and truth is not one person on here has any reason to believe you are actually any more real than those you so quickly claim are internet experts....so are you a manufacturer of any brands or are you a gun smith with a shop we could check out...or any chance you run the armory for a local base...or maybe you compete in one of the many competitive shooting circles because some of these people you have called out have these types of credentials and yet you are some dude with obviously lots of money to spend on pretty guns....but why is it we should consider you an expert?

Wow! Lost me on that one. Better look up the definition of " Called out " because I havent seen any of that from either side of the fence. There is medications for the prior mentioned issues concerning yourself in your above post. I wish you the best of luck.

Wow, keep digging that hole deeper hammerless.  You are messing with someone that has been a part of this forum for a long long time... she is like family on here,  and you still did not even answer her question ...  what makes you the resident expert over the the competition shooters, military personnel, gunsmiths, or any one else..... 

[FC]

No, this is the run your suck about a piston system that some have only read about and babble about ammunition that has nothing to do with one liking the piston system over the standard gas system conversation. I imagine from a guy that never has run a AR to the point his face and grip hand were black from the gasses on a standard system, time and time again. If he had ever done so, then he would understand the bennifits of a piston system and the lack of crap in your face and bolt carrier group. Rather hard to argue that unless you have nothing better to do but argue.

You do come up with some interesting assertions, I'll give you credit for that.

 I've shot M16's and AR's both to the point where I had powder soot on my face and hands, the difference is in how many times you get to do that before you toast the upper receiver by using a piston kit unless you tailor a hand-load that will actually keep the BCG's rearward velocity down enough that it won't tilt and destroy the upper receiver in short order.

I think the one most amusing thing that I noticed about piston driven AR's is that if you shoot them a lot you will get just as much soot on your face as you would shooting a direct impingement AR. Line up two guys and have them start shooting, one gets a DI and the other gets a piston gun, after 1500 rounds we can do a white glove test on faces and hands. Hopefully the piston gun made it without needing any overhauls...

[runamuk]

Yes you like to show off your money.......we all see that

What I am saying is Why should what you say rate at all? Who are you?  I've seen you argue with gunsmiths, competitive shooters etc, so why should anyone here think anything you say isnt just internet cool guy stuff?  For that matter you could be like some of the people who "borrow" others images and maybe none of those fancy guns are really even yours...

And no thanks I prefer to just be crazy its my role in life...I am the nuttier than a fruitcake one ...

[Biggerhammer]

No I havent kiled anything yet...it is also well known I am an emotional mess prone to feeling and not always thinking....and I would trade who I am to be someone else on damn near most days..... but you seem to get off making cheap shots.....and truth is not one person on here has any reason to believe you are actually any more real than those you so quickly claim are internet experts....so are you a manufacturer of any brands or are you a gun smith with a shop we could check out...or any chance you run the armory for a local base...or maybe you compete in one of the many competitive shooting circles because some of these people you have called out have these types of credentials and yet you are some dude with obviously lots of money to spend on pretty guns....but why is it we should consider you an expert?

Wow! Lost me on that one. Better look up the definition of " Called out " because I havent seen any of that from either side of the fence. There is medications for the prior mentioned issues concerning yourself in your above post. I wish you the best of luck.

Wow, keep digging that hole deeper hammerless.  You are messing with someone that has been a part of this forum for a long long time... she is like family on here,  and you still did not even answer her question ...  what makes you the resident expert over the the competition shooters, military personnel, gunsmiths, or any one else.....

No messing with anyone, read her first post on this thread. It had nothing constructive to say about a direct system or a piston system. It's complete subject matter was, in her own words " Cheap shots " and in my own words " Rambleing " What is to be expected when she  acts as such?

[wraithen]

Shot plenty of rounds through the DI system and the "Indirect gas" method. Don't see any mechanical reason to fix something that ain't broke. You're ar can suck it though. None of them hold a candle to my baby. Belt fed, gas operated, fully automatic 7.62 beast of a 240h. Hey... that replaced the constantly malfunctioning piston driven system m60 didn't it? Hmmmm...

Carbon buildup is a direct result of ammo. Whether that residue stops your weapon or not is a weapon design issue. Moving parts mean more likelihood of failure. I'd personally rather have a crap ton of powder on my hands and face then a little bit stop my weapon. If you were willing to spend the money for the completely custom job there is a way to make the upper push way more carbon out the barrel and it won't jam. In fact the hotter the barrel gets the cleaner the upper and the better the gas system performs. If money is no object why haven't you gone that route?

To clarify I'm not actually picking a fight with anyone, I enjoy the banter from all the major players here.

[Biggerhammer]

Yes you like to show off your money.......we all see that

What I am saying is Why should what you say rate at all? Who are you?  I've seen you argue with gunsmiths, competitive shooters etc, so why should anyone here think anything you say isnt just internet cool guy stuff?  For that matter you could be like some of the people who "borrow" others images and maybe none of those fancy guns are really even yours...

And no thanks I prefer to just be crazy its my role in life...I am the nuttier than a fruitcake one ...

After enough time one learns. Buy once, cry once, some people it takes a little longer and some never get it at all. I am lost with your " Showing off money " statement, rather inappropriate. I haven tout a dallor value to anything I've replied to or posted.

[Biggerhammer]

Shot plenty of rounds through the DI system and the "Indirect gas" method. Don't see any mechanical reason to fix something that ain't broke. You're ar can suck it though. None of them hold a candle to my baby. Belt fed, gas operated, fully automatic 7.62 beast of a 240h. Hey... that replaced the constantly malfunctioning piston driven system m60 didn't it? Hmmmm...

Carbon buildup is a direct result of ammo. Whether that residue stops your weapon or not is a weapon design issue. Moving parts mean more likelihood of failure. I'd personally rather have a crap ton of powder on my hands and face then a little bit stop my weapon. If you were willing to spend the money for the completely custom job there is a way to make the upper push way more carbon out the barrel and it won't jam. In fact the hotter the barrel gets the cleaner the upper and the better the gas system performs. If money is no object why haven't you gone that route?

To clarify I'm not actually picking a fight with anyone, I enjoy the banter from all the major players here.

Now that's one of the best replies yet.

[CAMPMEAT]

Yes you like to show off your money.......we all see that

What I am saying is Why should what you say rate at all? Who are you?  I've seen you argue with gunsmiths, competitive shooters etc, so why should anyone here think anything you say isnt just internet cool guy stuff?  For that matter you could be like some of the people who "borrow" others images and maybe none of those fancy guns are really even yours...

And no thanks I prefer to just be crazy its my role in life...I am the nuttier than a fruitcake one ...

I like nutty women..........becuase I'm fairly nutty myself.

[jaymark6655]

Maybe some people just have to justifly spending a *censored* ton of money to fix something that ain't broke.

Money must be a issue here, it keeps coming up again and again.

Its not an issue of not having it, I would rather spend it on something else (ammo or another weapon).  As for realiabilty, I have on occasion put 300 to 500 rounds through a rifle before I really needed to clean it (not at one sitting, I just hate cleaning the thing).  Often this type of stress is never put on a weapon, therefore I do not see the need for a piston gun, except to show off that you have money to waste or the need for every new thing to ever come out.  Didn't read all the post so maybe I missed the mark on this one, but I doubt it.

[Biggerhammer]

Yes you like to show off your money.......we all see that

What I am saying is Why should what you say rate at all? Who are you?  I've seen you argue with gunsmiths, competitive shooters etc, so why should anyone here think anything you say isnt just internet cool guy stuff?  For that matter you could be like some of the people who "borrow" others images and maybe none of those fancy guns are really even yours...

And no thanks I prefer to just be crazy its my role in life...I am the nuttier than a fruitcake one ...

I like nutty women..........becuase I'm fairly nutty myself.

It's all good.   

[CAMPMEAT]

Yes you like to show off your money.......we all see that

What I am saying is Why should what you say rate at all? Who are you?  I've seen you argue with gunsmiths, competitive shooters etc, so why should anyone here think anything you say isnt just internet cool guy stuff?  For that matter you could be like some of the people who "borrow" others images and maybe none of those fancy guns are really even yours...

And no thanks I prefer to just be crazy its my role in life...I am the nuttier than a fruitcake one ...

I like nutty women..........becuase I'm fairly nutty myself.

It's all good.   

Keep it going, but first I need some more beer and popcorn................Ok, I'm back 

[thinkingman]

I'm starting to undertand how Jeff Blair must've felt.....

[runamuk]

Ok so we are discussing the pros and cons of building an AR....and out come some components by brand and type....few clicks of the google and bingo bango I found a price....so while mr hammer doesnt specifically say I spent yada blah blah by saying I only use such and whats parts on a whozeits this or that....anyone with a calculator can figure A rough idea of the guns cost as built to mr hammers exacting standards ......and those components are expensive.....thus the money comment....which along with the napoleon complex comment seem to bother you.....
and for a manly topic like little black guns this sure draws a lot of drama...

and I am a girl gonna drink tea...earl grey...hot....and black.....just how I like my guns campmeat got any more popcorn

[CAMPMEAT]

Ok so we are discussing the pros and cons of building an AR....and out come some components by brand and type....few clicks of the google and bingo bango I found a price....so while mr hammer doesnt specifically say I spent yada blah blah by saying I only use such and whats parts on a whozeits this or that....anyone with a calculator can figure A rough idea of the guns cost as built to mr hammers exacting standards ......and those components are expensive.....thus the money comment....which along with the napoleon complex comment seem to bother you.....
and for a manly topic like little black guns this sure draws a lot of drama...

and I am a girl gonna drink tea...earl grey...hot....and black.....just how I like my guns campmeat got any more popcorn

Why yes, yes I do. But it's Jolly Time, The Big Chezzy, Ultimate Cheese. It's really crappy, but it grows on ya ! Still want some ? You ever have Grand Marnier in your Earl Grey ? It's gooooooooooood !

[runamuk]

Ok so we are discussing the pros and cons of building an AR....and out come some components by brand and type....few clicks of the google and bingo bango I found a price....so while mr hammer doesnt specifically say I spent yada blah blah by saying I only use such and whats parts on a whozeits this or that....anyone with a calculator can figure A rough idea of the guns cost as built to mr hammers exacting standards ......and those components are expensive.....thus the money comment....which along with the napoleon complex comment seem to bother you.....
and for a manly topic like little black guns this sure draws a lot of drama...

and I am a girl gonna drink tea...earl grey...hot....and black.....just how I like my guns campmeat got any more popcorn

Why yes, yes I do. But it's Jolly Time, The Big Chezzy, Ultimate Cheese. It's really crappy, but it grows on ya ! Still want some ? You ever have Grand Marnier in your Earl Grey ? It's gooooooooooood !

no I havent tried grand marnier in my earl grey but bet that would be yummy....cheesy popcorn...hmmmm will pass on that ....I was gonna make brownies.....regular style no hippy seasonings