Primitive only season

[General Disarray]

Boneaddict brought this up and mentioned "that's another thread" so I thought I'd go ahead and get that started for him....

I can understand the thinking here, you've got rifle and muzzleloaders seperated into different user groups, why not split bow hunters up??? we've got it pretty good with the seasons they give us now, what do you propose they do to split it up equally?  I'd be curious to see what the ratio is for compounds to traditional? 3 out 4 maybe? I'd be willing to use that ratio and give you a 6 or 7 day deer season in Sept and maybe 2 or 3 days for elk.  Put it right at the beginning, it's too hot to pack that heavy compound around anyways!   Late season? another 4 days or so? That's how the ratio would make it fit.

Would you be able to buy an "archery tag" or would you have to specify your choice of weapons? Define traditional for me? Any bow without cams? Made out of wood? wooden arrow shafts only? no modern camoflage(just threw that one in since I know you guys like your buckskin outfits better!)?

I could see going to something similar to what Oregon does where they have Traditional only units.  But that's going to upset everyone that has been hunting that unit before.  Maybe we should take back the Indian Reservations and make those traditional only? But then the Indians could still raid and attack the camps! Doesn't get much more traditional than that!

Boneaddict, I know what you are saying.  Most bowhunters are hunters and then archers, I consider myself an archer that also hunts.  I don't think dividing the minority that we already are is good idea at all.  It's one of the reasons I refuse to join or promote the WSB because they are so focused on traditional gear as opposed to compounds(stirring a hornet's nest here ).  It is some what sad to see archery, which has long been considered a "traditional" method, so full of technology.  But that is the way of life, some one is always making a better wheel(or cam   ).  I will at least applaud the state in the fact that they do a good job of trying to keep any technology that appears "unfair" out of the woods or other hunting areas.  But then again, thanks to some of that same technology, my 8 year old is going to be able to bowhunt with me this year and may never shoot a deer with a rifle.

Hopefully this becomes a productive thread with some valid points from both sides.

[jackelope]

well...lets see...as a newbie archer and someone who has taken up the sport for the added opportunity and longer seasons, i'd be dead-set against a shorter season for compound bows. i don't see the advantage or the point in seperating seasons(maybe it's cuz i'm new) and in turn i'd sure not like to see that splitting up hunters further.
one additional concern is you'd have another bunch of yahoo's out there with stick-bows shooting too far and inaccurately. shooting traditional is a whole other ball game from shooting a compound.

[Ray]

To me primitive means going down into how things are manufactured.

e.g.

Have a fiberglass laminated bow which doesn't have any compound pulleys; is that considered primitive?
How about if arrows were crafted with synthetic materials or modern machinery? including arrow tips...?

[WDFW-SUX]

Wood arrow wood risers and I'd be ok with expanded opportunity not seperate tag though.  Just add 5 days to the archery seasons for the limited weapon type and all Archery tag holders would have the opportunity if they wanted to.

[Machias]

  Too funny Miles!

[Ray]

I'd hunt with a spear if there was a season for it.

[WDFW-SUX]

I have seen a couple spear prototypes they are as sharp as a broad-head and about as wide as four fingers really really wicked. The guy who had them claimed he had killed two black bears over bait in Alaska with them don't know if its true or not but he had the tools to do it. He said he was contemplating going after a brown bear with one I told him he was nuts.  He said he would wait until a bear was fishing for salmon then he would go for the double lung thrust.  He said he dropped on the blackies from a stand near the bait. 

[jackelope]

http://www.coldsteel.com/spears-high-performance-spears.html

[WDFW-SUX]

Those are the ones.

[boneaddict]

I could see going to something similar to what Oregon does where they have Traditional only units.  But that's going to upset everyone that has been hunting that unit before.  Maybe we should take back the Indian Reservations and make those traditional only? But then the Indians could still raid and attack the camps! Doesn't get much more traditional than that!

  Now you're talking.

[boneaddict]

I wouldn' want to divide up our minority ranks.  I think we need to stick together.  I disagree with your thougts aobut the WSB.  If only for the reason,  I joined up as a compound archer, and have never felt influence in anywy to change.  I did so on my only accord just because of the challenge.  I thik the WSB is important as it takes a user groups strength to fight against the evil lobbyist groups.
I LIKE what Oregon has done with their traditional hunts.  Take a late season hunt lie say ALTA.  This used to be open to archery, but is't anymore to the late season.  Make it a traditional only hunt during the same time frame as the normal late season hunt.  That way it doesn't take away from any of the other hunters.  Make this very restircictive in regards to equipment.  Woodbows only, wooden arrows.  Hell you could even go further and make it flint points only if you want, but that might not be as ethical as there might be mortality caused if you kno what I mean.  Monitor harvest  adjust tag numbers or make it a draw if necessary.
I'm sick of the whole technology thing in regards to all tyes of hunting.  I am especially opposed to it in mzzelloading and in archery, but especially muzzeloading.  I would never want to attack any user group in huntin though.  It just seems idiotic to call some of the modern muzzeloaders a primitive weapon.  T/C encore for example.  Most states are starting to see this.

[General Disarray]

which part, taking back the reservations or doing what Oregon does...? both good ideas to me!


I've got a few friends that are heading to Oregon in August to hunt those Trad only units using a machined riser recurve with sights, release and carbon arrows.... totally legal but I don't think that's exactly what oregon had in mind when they set it up.

I could see going to something similar to what Oregon does where they have Traditional only units.  But that's going to upset everyone that has been hunting that unit before.  Maybe we should take back the Indian Reservations and make those traditional only? But then the Indians could still raid and attack the camps! Doesn't get much more traditional than that!

  Now you're talking.

[Ray]

By the way all savages that want to hunt with spears kick ass

[sisu]

1. I could see going to something similar to what Oregon does where they have Traditional only units.  But that's going to upset everyone that has been hunting that unit before.  Maybe we should take back the Indian Reservations and make those traditional only? But then the Indians could still raid and attack the camps! Doesn't get much more traditional than that!



 2. Most bowhunters are hunters and then archers, I consider myself an archer that also hunts.  I don't think dividing the minority that we already are is good idea at all.  It's one of the reasons I refuse to join or promote the WSB because they are so focused on traditional gear as opposed to compounds(stirring a hornet's nest here ).  It is some what sad to see archery, which has long been considered a "traditional" method, so full of technology.  But that is the way of life, some one is always making a better wheel(or cam   ).

1. Ya, but then I get to hunt with a rolling block black powder metallic cartridge rifle. hahaha


2. This last item is not correct. If you look at several years issues of hunters with their game pictures you will see far more compound WSB members than traditional. In fact the current president is a compound hunter.

[funkster]

I don't see why you would need a whole other season when you can hunt with a recurve or longbow if you want in general bow season. I feel you would see more wounded game and further the opinion that bow hunters just wound animals if this season actually happend.  Most of the longbow or recurve hunter's I see out at the range can't even hit an X at 10yrds let alone 20.

Just alittle FYI Sportsman's Bowhunting mag has an article called P&Y by the numbers and it states that 96% of the hunter's that tagged book bucks used a compound bow!