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Re: It is offical the WDFW is buying 4-O Ranch
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2011, 02:17:19 PM »
That has always been my take.   I really hope someone on here knows more about it as it has bothered me for years.  I'd love to photograph there.  Its always bothered me he made millions from it and then its still "his" :dunno:

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Re: It is offical the WDFW is buying 4-O Ranch
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2011, 02:19:39 PM »
This is just north of where the Wenaha Pack is in Oregon with a lot of livestock killed. Makes me wonder..... if there is other stories. How about N.Umatilla pack, Wenaha pack,Walla walla pack, Imanaha pack, Snake river pack just RIGHT BELOW Wa.   :'(

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Re: It is offical the WDFW is buying 4-O Ranch
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2011, 02:23:42 PM »
That has always been my take.   I really hope someone on here knows more about it as it has bothered me for years.  I'd love to photograph there.  Its always bothered me he made millions from it and then its still "his" :dunno:
have you asked to go out there  :dunno: if it's owned by the state miht give you a leg up on getting on the land especially after the season and to take photos! it anyone had a problem with that then they are truely arsses! >:(
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Re: It is offical the WDFW is buying 4-O Ranch
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2011, 02:26:45 PM »
This is just north of where the Wenaha Pack is in Oregon with a lot of livestock killed. Makes me wonder..... if there is other stories.
yeah, it's right in the middle of the wolf grounds (that they are not in  :bash: ) I saw two just north of this location and one to the west and we all know they are to the south and east! So yeah your wondering is prbably for good reason! maybe a little hush keep you land money  :twocents:
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Re: It is offical the WDFW is buying 4-O Ranch
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2011, 02:39:08 PM »
Bone I was under the assumption that regardless of the type or wording of a lease or allotment, if the property is owned by a public entity (federal, state, wildlife, ect..) it is open to all public use. I may have to look into the legalities of this  or maybe Bigtex can fill us in. In your case he may post and patrol it, but if you know the boundries he has no right to keep you off public land.

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Re: It is offical the WDFW is buying 4-O Ranch
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2011, 02:42:20 PM »
He cannot exclude you from the land unless he retained the property right to do so when he sold the property.  What is the county and landowner's name?  I can probably look it up online.

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Re: It is offical the WDFW is buying 4-O Ranch
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2011, 02:49:48 PM »
Bone I was under the assumption that regardless of the type or wording of a lease or allotment, if the property is owned by a public entity (federal, state, wildlife, ect..) it is open to all public use. I may have to look into the legalities of this  or maybe Bigtex can fill us in.
I think the land manager/owner gets to say what public use is allowed.  It depends on the land designation though.  Federal land can be open for all for example, but may restrict ATVs, hunting, fires, dogs, etc.  State park can restrict certain things.  Some wildlife refuges restrict access to areas from all use.

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Re: It is offical the WDFW is buying 4-O Ranch
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2011, 03:30:24 PM »
The wdfw has not purchased it yet, they just got commission approval
For the first phase, with the hopes of closing it in the next couple
Weeks. They have a total of six phases totaling 11,970 acres. 

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Re: It is offical the WDFW is buying 4-O Ranch
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2011, 03:38:16 PM »
Here is my concern and maybe someone in the know can help me out........  Similiar deal, different place.

Prewitts in Twisp, essentially Davis lake, Fuzzy canyon to Pipestone.   The government buys the land from them...AWESOME DEAL for wildlife.  He retains the rights, BUT STILL puts fresh white NO TRESPASSING signs up every year, LOTS of them.  Patrols it and hunts it himself.    Game department bought it.........so what is up with that?   AND could the same thing happen with this new property?   The game department also bought his neighbors...again more awesome property.  Charlie Leman.   Again, not sure about access for the average citizen.   I believe access IS open on the Pipestone side, but not the river road.

 I have wondered about that as well Bone.
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Re: It is offical the WDFW is buying 4-O Ranch
« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2011, 03:46:06 PM »
It appears Okanogan County does not have the their records online so I cannot look it up.  However, looking at the deed that conveyed the property would tell you what property rights were or were not sold/reserved.

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Re: It is offical the WDFW is buying 4-O Ranch
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2011, 04:30:10 PM »
Washington has $2billion in debt.  How can they afford buying it.  Wolves will move in quick wipe all Elk.

Almost all (if not all) of WDFW land purchases now come from grants. No WDFW money is used to purchase lands.

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Re: It is offical the WDFW is buying 4-O Ranch
« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2011, 04:58:28 PM »
Actually the Odoms will still retain the rights to farm and graze the ranch.


Are these the rich Odoms that sell booze ?
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Re: It is offical the WDFW is buying 4-O Ranch
« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2011, 05:09:01 PM »
nothing to add, just want to follow the thread...
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Re: It is offical the WDFW is buying 4-O Ranch
« Reply #43 on: December 17, 2011, 09:06:43 AM »
I dunno where to prewitt place is, but try looking here to see if it pops up and get the section description

 http://www.ecy.wa.gov/services/gis/maps/county/mpl/mplco.htm

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Re: It is offical the WDFW is buying 4-O Ranch
« Reply #44 on: December 17, 2011, 11:41:39 AM »
Here is my concern and maybe someone in the know can help me out........  Similiar deal, different place.

Prewitts in Twisp, essentially Davis lake, Fuzzy canyon to Pipestone.   The government buys the land from them...AWESOME DEAL for wildlife.  He retains the rights, BUT STILL puts fresh white NO TRESPASSING signs up every year, LOTS of them.  Patrols it and hunts it himself.    Game department bought it.........so what is up with that?   AND could the same thing happen with this new property?   The game department also bought his neighbors...again more awesome property.  Charlie Leman.   Again, not sure about access for the average citizen.   I believe access IS open on the Pipestone side, but not the river road.

There are so many things wrong with that, it makes my head hurt thinking about it.  :bash: When I first read the OP, then the bit about the landowner keeping farming rights its pretty much the first scenario that popped into my head.  Now I am wondering if I can sell my house to the government, but retain the right to live here?  :bash:

 


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