collapse

Advertisement


Author Topic: WOLVES: View from a student  (Read 3004 times)

Offline bearpaw

  • Family, Friends, Outdoors
  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (+10)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 38427
  • Location: Idaho<->Colville
  • "Rather Be Cougar Huntin"
    • http://www.facebook.com/DaleDenney
    • Bearpaw Outfitters
  • Groups: NRA, SCI, F4WM, NWTF, IOGA, MOGA, CCOC, BBB, RMEF, WSTA, WSB
WOLVES: View from a student
« on: December 19, 2011, 08:35:59 AM »
I thought this was a good indication of what the schools are teaching about wolves:
http://www.cdapress.com/content/tncms/live/cdapress.com/opinion/letters_to_editor/article_77a1be0b-3ce3-5817-8145-7f4643b7a86b.html

WOLVES: View from a student
Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:00 am | Updated: 12:34 am, Mon Dec 19, 2011.

I was one of the students who saw the wolves. Those wolves were born in captivity and they had the wolves on a choke chain and leash. They made sure that those wolves knew humans and were used to human hands.

For our debate, our teacher divided us into groups; my group used many sources like...

• Fish and Game website

• A wildlife conservation book by Doug Smith

• Defenders of Wildlife website

• Our school's library books

• And many more

The wolves were only there because our ALP class read "White Fang" by Jack London and our teacher thought it would be fun to see some wolves in real life. We had our debate on Friday the 18th. The Wolf People came on Monday the 21st. We didn't get facts from the Wolf People until after our debate.

Our teacher did not show us any pictures or videos of how wolves kill for sport and don't eat the meat and go on to the next kill because that is not true. Wolves kill when they are hungry. They eat the sick and elderly deer and elk.

There are only about 1,000 wolves in Idaho. Those numbers will go down fast if we keep killing them. I don't see a reason why we need to track wolves. That seems very unnecessary to me.

Humans are more mean and brutal then wolves will ever be. In Moses Lake, Wash., a man shot his brother, in Deer Park, Wash., a mother was murdered, and the Mariners' outfielder was stabbed to death. As you can see, people are more brutal than animals.

I read seven books about wolves from our library. When you use good research that isn't from movies, then you see that wolves only kill to live. If humankind never started shooting deer, then we would barely notice the wolves because a wolf has never killed a human since they started keeping records in the 1800s.

I'd just like to thank my teacher for letting me have this wonderful experience. Not many people get to see wolves in real life. Thank you to the Wolf People too. Very little people get to have that wonderful experience. It was very interesting seeing the wolves. Even though they aren't gray wolves, it was really interesting to see them anyways.

(name removed)

Fifth-grader at Dalton Elementary

Dalton Gardens
Americans are systematically advocating, legislating, and voting away each others rights. Support all user groups & quit losing opportunity!

http://bearpawoutfitters.com Guided Hunts, Unguided, & Drop Camps in Idaho, Montana, Utah, and Wash. Hunts with tags available (no draw needed) for spring bear, fall bear, bison, cougar, elk, mule deer, turkey, whitetail, & wolf! http://trophymaps.com DIY Hunting Maps are also offered

Offline JohnVH

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Feb 2011
  • Posts: 1987
  • Location: PNW
Re: WOLVES: View from a student
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2011, 08:47:48 AM »
When you use good research that isn't from movies, then you see that wolves only kill to live. If humankind never started shooting deer, then we would barely notice the wolves because a wolf has never killed a human since they started keeping records in the 1800s.

 :bash:  :bash:  :bash:

They didnt do much research aparently.

Offline sebek556

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: May 2011
  • Posts: 2603
  • Location: ne,wa
Re: WOLVES: View from a student
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2011, 08:53:08 AM »
yah look at his research list,
• A wildlife conservation book by Doug Smith

• Defenders of Wildlife website

• Our school's library books
real research there.. not!

Offline CAMPMEAT

  • CAMPMEAT
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Sep 2010
  • Posts: 13347
  • Location: ARIZONA, A PLACE WHERE I DON'T WANT YOU LIVING !!
  • I love my gun rights in Arizona..
Re: WOLVES: View from a student
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2011, 09:00:13 AM »
I like how a 5th grader has the knowledge about true life experiences and being misled about actual truths. Oh well, it's the school system  & media at work again.
I couldn't care less about what anybody says..............

Offline rasbo

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Legend
  • ******
  • Join Date: Aug 2008
  • Posts: 20144
  • Location: Grant county
  • In God I trust...Try taking that away from me!
Re: WOLVES: View from a student
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2011, 09:05:22 AM »
wonder if they were shown what wolves had done to a teacher in alaska,I think not.Our perhaps bring a wild wolf in a cage and let them pet it.This is to make the wolf seem like fido your precious pooch.

Offline Shed Stud

  • Political & Covid-19 Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Longhunter
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2010
  • Posts: 650
  • Location: chiwawa...not mexico
Re: WOLVES: View from a student
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2011, 09:24:14 AM »
" If humankind never started shooting deer"   WE would not be here!
  WTF are they teaching our children? I will tell my boys to get up and leave if they are having this opinon forced on them by not being givin ALL the info from BOTH sides of the debate. :bash:  Our eyes face forward on our face for a reason.
   Poor kid, it's not his fault

Offline PlateauNDN

  • Y.A.R. Medicine Man
  • Political & Covid-19 Topics
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Mar 2011
  • Posts: 10691
  • Location: God's Country
  • R.I.P. Colockumelk 20130423. Semper Fi!
Re: WOLVES: View from a student
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2011, 09:43:19 AM »
 :yike:  If my 5th grade son came home spouting the same BULLSh.. I would...nevermind, he isn't going to believe a bunch of BS like this so I'm not going to worry about his school.  But, to read the one-sidedness of this story and how these children have been manipulated is upsetting. :bash:
If you can read thank a teacher, If you can read in English thank a Marine! 
Not as Lean, Just as Mean, Still a Marine!
He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother!

"Around this camp, there's only one Chief; the rest are Indians!"

"Give me 15 more minutes, I was dreaming of Beavers!"

Offline runamuk

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Jan 2008
  • Posts: 17878
Re: WOLVES: View from a student
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2011, 09:44:49 AM »
So it seems there was a debate which means opposing sides thus this child was taking the pro wolf stace and some other children must of taken the pro hunting wolves stance....if the teacher did not show them the videos of wolves killing for sport then did the opposing side?  I find it hard to paint the entire school system with a broad brush of ignorance without hearing the opposing viewpoint in the debate.

I was the only 8th grader in my public school willing to take the opposing side of the abortion debate... in other words I was pro choice in a classroom taught by an anti abortion slanted teacher and my grades all decreased after I participated in the debate  :dunno: I will cut the teacher some slack this is one kids opinion and it might well have been formed by his family  :dunno:

I thought this was a good indication of what the schools are teaching about wolves:
http://www.cdapress.com/content/tncms/live/cdapress.com/opinion/letters_to_editor/article_77a1be0b-3ce3-5817-8145-7f4643b7a86b.html

WOLVES: View from a student
Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:00 am | Updated: 12:34 am, Mon Dec 19, 2011.

I was one of the students who saw the wolves. Those wolves were born in captivity and they had the wolves on a choke chain and leash. They made sure that those wolves knew humans and were used to human hands.

For our debate, our teacher divided us into groups; my group used many sources like...

• Fish and Game website

• A wildlife conservation book by Doug Smith

• Defenders of Wildlife website

• Our school's library books

• And many more

The wolves were only there because our ALP class read "White Fang" by Jack London and our teacher thought it would be fun to see some wolves in real life. We had our debate on Friday the 18th. The Wolf People came on Monday the 21st. We didn't get facts from the Wolf People until after our debate.

Our teacher did not show us any pictures or videos of how wolves kill for sport and don't eat the meat and go on to the next kill because that is not true. Wolves kill when they are hungry. They eat the sick and elderly deer and elk.

There are only about 1,000 wolves in Idaho. Those numbers will go down fast if we keep killing them. I don't see a reason why we need to track wolves. That seems very unnecessary to me.

Humans are more mean and brutal then wolves will ever be. In Moses Lake, Wash., a man shot his brother, in Deer Park, Wash., a mother was murdered, and the Mariners' outfielder was stabbed to death. As you can see, people are more brutal than animals.

I read seven books about wolves from our library. When you use good research that isn't from movies, then you see that wolves only kill to live. If humankind never started shooting deer, then we would barely notice the wolves because a wolf has never killed a human since they started keeping records in the 1800s.

I'd just like to thank my teacher for letting me have this wonderful experience. Not many people get to see wolves in real life. Thank you to the Wolf People too. Very little people get to have that wonderful experience. It was very interesting seeing the wolves. Even though they aren't gray wolves, it was really interesting to see them anyways.

(name removed)

Fifth-grader at Dalton Elementary

Dalton Gardens

Offline rose673

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Tracker
  • **
  • Join Date: Dec 2010
  • Posts: 60
Re: WOLVES: View from a student
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2011, 01:03:11 PM »
Not every teacher is preaching this stuff guys, I teach at a high school and I took 8 students to the meeting in Olympia and I am quick to show them every article that comes up of what wolves have done to livestock, hounds, and people.  I can assure you that they are not getting a pro wolf side from my classes!

Offline bearpaw

  • Family, Friends, Outdoors
  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (+10)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 38427
  • Location: Idaho<->Colville
  • "Rather Be Cougar Huntin"
    • http://www.facebook.com/DaleDenney
    • Bearpaw Outfitters
  • Groups: NRA, SCI, F4WM, NWTF, IOGA, MOGA, CCOC, BBB, RMEF, WSTA, WSB
Re: WOLVES: View from a student
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2011, 01:06:07 PM »
rose673, glad to hear you are a teacher....  :tup:
Americans are systematically advocating, legislating, and voting away each others rights. Support all user groups & quit losing opportunity!

http://bearpawoutfitters.com Guided Hunts, Unguided, & Drop Camps in Idaho, Montana, Utah, and Wash. Hunts with tags available (no draw needed) for spring bear, fall bear, bison, cougar, elk, mule deer, turkey, whitetail, & wolf! http://trophymaps.com DIY Hunting Maps are also offered

Offline BOWHUNTER45

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Nov 2009
  • Posts: 14731
Re: WOLVES: View from a student
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2011, 01:32:07 PM »
this plainly shows how they think ..not worth the sheet  :yeah: thats their intent is to bring back the wolves and sheet can the hunting ... well sheet can the cows and chickens and pigs and lets see them survive ... :yeah:

 


* Advertisement

* Recent Topics

1oz cannon balls by hunthard
[Today at 02:18:34 PM]


Search underway for three missing people after boat sinks near Mukilteo by Platensek-po
[Today at 01:59:06 PM]


Desert Sheds by MADMAX
[Today at 11:25:33 AM]


Nevada Results by cem3434
[Today at 11:18:49 AM]


Last year putting in… by JimmyHoffa
[Today at 11:07:02 AM]


Oregon spring bear by pianoman9701
[Today at 09:54:52 AM]


Best/Preferred Scouting App by follow maggie
[Today at 09:08:20 AM]


Anybody breeding meat rabbit? by HighlandLofts
[Today at 08:25:26 AM]


Sportsman’s Muzzloader Selection by VickGar
[Yesterday at 09:20:43 PM]


Vantage Bridge by jackelope
[Yesterday at 08:03:05 PM]


wyoming pronghorn draw by 87Ford
[Yesterday at 07:35:40 PM]


Wyoming elk who's in? by go4steelhd
[Yesterday at 03:25:16 PM]


New to ML-Optics help by Threewolves
[Yesterday at 02:55:25 PM]


Survey in ? by metlhead
[Yesterday at 01:42:41 PM]


F250 or Silverado 2500? by 7mmfan
[Yesterday at 01:39:14 PM]


Is FS70 open? by yajsab
[Yesterday at 10:13:07 AM]

SimplePortal 2.3.7 © 2008-2025, SimplePortal