Bigger AR type rifle

[JohnVH]

Ive read of people shooting bears with the 6.8, anything will kill anything, the shooter just has to know how to place a shot

[Biggerhammer]

Ive read of people shooting bears with the 6.8, anything will kill anything, the shooter just has to know how to place a shot

Heck, you can do a bear with a 22-250 or a 220 Swift. using  a 60gr Partition for that matter.

[h20hunter]

Agreed on all the above... The .50 is not nearly as versatile...packs a hell of a punch at shorter range though.

[FALFire]

JohnVH, Ya really need to pay attention to Biggerhammer on this one.

Though the 6.8SPC is a pretty decent little round, I've built several, gave one away and still have one in the safe. They do okay out to 300 yards or so, then they begin to loose faith with the wind and end up all over the place. Yes they can get to 600 yards, I know this because I have a 600 yard range in my back yard, but it's still flat falls short of the 6.5 bullet way out there. There have been lots of chambering changes involved to try to make the 6.8 a really great round, so far little has helped and still, it falls short of the 6.5 Grendel or aka, 6.5LBC which are basically the same with slight neck diameters being the only real difference between these two rounds and both will fire either ammo very well. The changes were due to licensing agreements not due to necessary changes to make one perform better.

Where the 6.5 G or LBC really shines is 400 yards and beyond, it flat leaves the 6.8 in the dust and mostly due to bullet weight and design. The 6.8 cannot launch a 130 grain bullet very fast as it takes up way too much case for powder. The 85 grain bullets do well in the velocity range but fall short for long range stuff. The 6.5 can send a 139gr. bullet out there very accurately at long distances and you can load down to 95's for anything up to small deer and makes for a great coyote round.

The 6.8 was originally developed for the combat troops and performs admirably in short barreled M4's where as the Grendel will do exceptionally well using 18 - 26" barrels with amazing accuracy out to 600 yards and beyond.

I would refrain from jumping into a 6.8 too quickly, do some research and make your decision based on facts.

[Biggerhammer]

FAL, that post was a work of art. Just for the record that deer in the pic I posted earlier was shot by a Alexander Arms barrel in 6.5 Grendel but the 120gr Ballistic Tip load was head stamped  264 LBC-AR.

[JohnVH]

fal, I have a 7mm for long range stuff, the ar would be for <300 yd deer and probably coyotes. Although if money was no object Id go 6.5, but that upper cost 3x what the 6.8 does. If I could find a super deal on a 6.5 Ill buy one. 

Any of you heard of a 300 AAC Blackout?

[jaymark6655]

fal, I have a 7mm for long range stuff, the ar would be for <300 yd deer and probably coyotes. Although if money was no object Id go 6.5, but that upper cost 3x what the 6.8 does. If I could find a super deal on a 6.5 Ill buy one. 

Any of you heard of a 300 AAC Blackout?

Just read about it real quick.  Not too impressed, 30-30 performance almost exactly the same as the 7.62x39.  The only up side I see is being able to use a standard bolt, but you still need a different upper for that 30 cal round.  Personally if I need a seperate upper to shoot a particular round, then I don't mind having a bolt specific to that upper.  6.8, 6.5, .450, .30 ossm all sound pretty good depending on what you want to do.

[Biggerhammer]

fal, I have a 7mm for long range stuff, the ar would be for <300 yd deer and probably coyotes. Although if money was no object Id go 6.5, but that upper cost 3x what the 6.8 does. If I could find a super deal on a 6.5 Ill buy one. 

Any of you heard of a 300 AAC Blackout?

A guy can throw a 6.5 Grendel together way cheap, both those 6.5 Grendel uppers I posted earlier were built from used barrels we purchase off forums such as Snipershide.com and 24hourcampfire.com. You can pick up a upper receiver for a 120.00 and rob the bolt, charginging handle and bolt carrier group out of any other AR upper you have. You can purchase a 6.5 Grendel barrel used for 200.00 to 400.00and most often than not they are sold with the Grendel bolt.

You just have to change the barrel out on a AR you already own, switch the bolt and and stuff in a Grendel mag (12.00) , 30 min swap out and it's GO TIME!

Factory Hornady match ammo is 21.00 a box and very accurate, great way to get brass for reloading. You get a cheap accurate first firing and then the brass to reload. I started off using AA brass for reloading at 92.00 a 100 but after shooting the Hornady match, I get almost 100 rounds for that 92.00 loaded and the brass after its fired for reloading. It's a win, win.

[JohnVH]

ok, now Im listening

[FALFire]

John,

Check out this link below, I think you will like what you see. However, you will still need a bolt but you get a free upper with the purchase of a barrel. The other thing is, even for under 300 yards the 6.5 gives up nothing to the 6.8SPC. You still get way better bullets than any of the 270 caliber offerings and continue to have the long range ability. I have been using the 6.8 for about 6 years now and it seldom gets passage from the safe, I also have 6x45, 243WSSM, 300 Fireball, 223's and 308's. The only one I have not built yet is the Grendel but it's on my hit list for sure. I have just been rekindling my love for the bolt guns and building Savages as of late. I will be re-barreling my Rem. 700 223 SPS Tactical into something much more enjoyable in the near future also. Plus I just purchased a new Tikka T3 22-250 and I have been letting the air out of a few coyotes here lately, it's my passion.



http://www.surplusammo.com/blackhole-weaponry-ar-15-18-mid-length-stainless-steel-6-5-grendel-1-9-poly-barrel/

[JohnVH]

now were talking, where is a good place to get a bolt? What else do I need to complete the upper? Im new to black guns

[Biggerhammer]

now were talking, where is a good place to get a bolt? What else do I need to complete the upper? Im new to black guns

A bolt will run you around 70.00 , they are hard to find by themselves. Here is a good barrel with the bolt for a fairly good price and I do like the 8 twist for 6.5's. It's great for the heavies and really puts a spin on the 95gr V-Max's.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/586354/ar-stoner-barrel-and-bolt-ar-15-65-grendel-medium-contour-1-in-8-twist-18-stainless-steel

[Biggerhammer]

All this talk about assorted AR cartridges got me all worked up, I went and dug through the AR parts pile and came up with everything short of a upper receiver to put together a 26" heavy .204 Ruger upper with a Whiteoak barrel. Got to love AR's!  I'll screw it together after the holiday.

[JohnVH]

nice, got any extra parts youd sell a noob assembling his first grendel? 

[FALFire]

John,

Here is a bolt from MidwayUSA for the Grendel. It's just a 7.62x39 bolt face, nothing too special.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/798650/olympic-bolt-assembly-ar-15-762x39mm-russian-steel-matte