Reloading Issue. Won't Crimp before crushing

[JimmyHoffa]

I'm not seeing a cannelure in that picture.  If there is no cannelure on the bullet, I've yet to get a roll crimp to NOT crush the shoulder. 

[Helix]

Non canneluerd boolitz can't take much of a crimp before they do this. had this prob when I started loading 300 win mag. Back your crimp off till its just barely touching. Other than that i'd say you might have the wrong expander in your sizer.

[Gutpile]

 

Non canneluerd boolitz can't take much of a crimp before they do this. had this prob when I started loading 300 win mag. Back your crimp off till its just barely touching. Other than that i'd say you might have the wrong expander in your sizer.

[addicted]

I think i measured teh wrong part of the expander bell.

I think i figured it out.  I read the directions wrong since as you can see i was also trying to crimp. 

I just seated one with no problems and it feels like it is sticking good.



I'm using my father in laws equipment and it is definately a learning experience. Now I know i definately want a turret press and a digital scale.

So i botched the crushing by trying to crimp something thats not supposed be crimped and i set up the resizer wrong hence the bullet not holding in place. I think i've got it squared away now so I resized them all again and i'll start again in the morning.

[FALFire]

Insert an empty resized case into the shell holder, run your ram full up, screw the seater die body down until it just touches the case mouth then back it off one full turn. Lock it in place then run your seater stem down till you get your desired Over All Length (OAL)

Be sure to back your seating die body off at least one full turn from the point when it touches the case mouth. This will prevent any cases that are not trimmed exactly the same as the others from bumping into the crimping portion and creating a bulged shoulder.

[JackOfAllTrades]

Every bit of advice for how to set the die here is spot on...  But if this was a 30-30 or 35rem meant for a lever gun, what would any of you have sugested?

-Steve

[Biggerhammer]

Every bit of advice for how to set the die here is spot on...  But if this was a 30-30 or 35rem meant for a lever gun, what would any of you have sugested?

-Steve

Almost all the bullets that are used for lever guns have a canular and you crimp. You can look at the bullets originally pictured and can tell its not for a lever gun and if it was, it would possibly be one heck of a learning expirience.

[addicted]

do you guys think that IMR 4831 would do good? haven't seen it on any load data for this cartridge yet?

338federal btw.

[JimmyHoffa]

Every bit of advice for how to set the die here is spot on...  But if this was a 30-30 or 35rem meant for a lever gun, what would any of you have sugested?

-Steve

If it's a tubular magazine I'd say crimp.  So either find a bullet that is cannelured or find a way to radially crimp.  If it is a lever like a savage 99 or a blr, then load how you would anything other.  For the solid lead straight walled cartridges, you can crimp, but not really needed seeing as when you bell the case mouth the seating die closes it up and the lead makes it pretty tight.

[Biggerhammer]

do you guys think that IMR 4831 would do good? haven't seen it on any load data for this cartridge yet?

338federal btw.

I haven't seen it listed.

http://reloadersnest.com/frontpage.asp?CaliberID=552

[fremont]

Don't seat & crimp in single step.  Seat, then crimp.  And, use a Lee Factory Crimp Die, not the roll or taper crimp that comes with your seater die.  Best $10 you'll ever spend if your heart's set on crimping.

[addicted]

now that i've got them to stick i'm not trying to crimp but thanks for the advice for sure.

[mazama]

Assuming you have right dies get your reloading book out and read the procedure until you fully understant it,you should have a good reloading book or several because there are many problems that can come up in reloading over 40 yrs i have had many issues come up-but from reading your post you either didnot size the case or you seated the bullet to deep or wrong dies.

[BOWHUNTER45]

expander is .321 and bullets are .338.

.017 difference? That could be the problem. You should only have .002 at the most .004. I think the bullets could be doing the crushing and that would also explain the slip fit after.

I think your on to something.

Big Hammer I believe your on to something too !!! i wish we could see a little more of that on your profile picture