Ranger shot at Mt. Rainier NP

[bearpaw]

1. Only 1 out of 10 hunters withoutt training would actually pull tje trigger on a human.
2. This guy has military training and combat experience. Most hunters don't have this. This means a lot of hunters would get killed.

Totally agree, this is a guy with professional training that has gone bad, only the right people should be sent after this guy.

[Wazukie]

so, who are the right people?  Those who wont follow because this guy is walking through creeks? Most LEO's are not trained for wilderness survival or combat, just inter-city jungle survival.  But, now that I think about it, most of the Hunters I know in this state only fire their weapons a few times a year and really have no wilderness experience and would probably just get lost.

Oh ya, just because a guy has  gun and might no how to use it and maybe have a little bit of gear, doesnt mean that he can survive in the wilderness.  He might be a combat vet but his mind is already playing tricks on him.

Just some thoughts from a combat vet.

[MikeWalking]

so, who are the right people?  Those who wont follow because this guy is walking through creeks? Most LEO's are not trained for wilderness survival or combat, just inter-city jungle survival.  But, now that I think about it, most of the Hunters I know in this state only fire their weapons a few times a year and really have no wilderness experience and would probably just get lost.

Oh ya, just because a guy has  gun and might no how to use it and maybe have a little bit of gear, doesnt mean that he can survive in the wilderness.  He might be a combat vet but his mind is already playing tricks on him.

Just some thoughts from a combat vet.

Bet there's a lot of Vets in the FBI and other LEO's going after him.  Met A lot of Cops over the years that had CIB's   others still in the Guard or Reserve, Hunters too.  Wonder what his MOS was...

[Wazukie]

Well Mike, lets just pray that if this guy does have the skills to make it out there that the LOE's send the right people after him.  The ones that know how to follow.

[GrainfedMuley]

1. Only 1 out of 10 hunters withoutt training would actually pull tje trigger on a human.
2. This guy has military training and combat experience. Most hunters don't have this. This means a lot of hunters would get killed.

Totally agree, this is a guy with professional training that has gone bad, only the right people should be sent after this guy.

Yes, I agree also. But, there are quite a few of us on here that have more than hunter's ed for training. Your average hunter would not have a single clue on what to look for. Especially in the woods. Your average hunter would be dead before he even saw anything. Remeber, there are some of us that have LEO, military backgrounds ourselves. A big game hunter can make a good sniper.

[jyerxa]

I dont know if this has been mentioned, but in my opinion, the fastest and best way to find this guy?  Let the hunters go after him!

 

1. Only 1 out of 10 hunters withoutt training would actually pull tje trigger on a human.
2. This guy has military training and combat experience. Most hunters don't have this. This means a lot of hunters would get killed.

Don't remember the source, sorry about that. But don't freshly trained military do the same thing in their first fire fight?

[colockumelk]

Yes I do realize many hunters have proper training. But 99% don't. Yes I guess you could Connor togetjer guys that have the proper training but... They still wouldnt be that capable simce tjey had never worked or trained together.  So still a bad idea.  The best way to deal with this is to let the tactical LE who has the training, and has worked and trained together as a team to deal with this. And yes most of those guys have CIBs. 

Bottom line is it takes a lot more than wilderness skills to track, hunt down and kill this guy. Even if you have the proper training it takes more. How long ago did you train? What gear do you have? What shape are you in? Have you trained as a team? Or is it a bunch of individuals. A team that works well and trains together will beat a group of highly trained individuals anyday.

[GrainfedMuley]

You have valid points. I am not arguing with you. I don't think it is a good idea to send a bunch of hunters after him either. That's foolish. I guess I am rebuting the point that the average hunter would not know how to handle things. Let the pro's go after him and bring him out on a sled.

[NWBREW]

I would have to agree with colockum with this. There are people trained for this. I have 30+ years of hunting but I know there are people much, much more qulified for this. I really hope this scumbag does not leave the area alive. Senseless crime I will never understand.

[MikeWalking]

I dont know if this has been mentioned, but in my opinion, the fastest and best way to find this guy?  Let the hunters go after him!

 

1. Only 1 out of 10 hunters withoutt training would actually pull tje trigger on a human.
2. This guy has military training and combat experience. Most hunters don't have this. This means a lot of hunters would get killed.

Don't remember the source, sorry about that. But don't freshly trained military do the same thing in their first fire fight?

Had the chance to see a fellow Squad Leader get his Bronze Star (and some other ARVN Medal) many years after the fact.  As part of a 4 man recon team in the 101st he took out an NVA LMG bunker.   He said in his first firefight he just *censored* his pants and laid there.  His platoon Sgt laughed it off, said it happens a lot.

[colockumelk]

I dont know if this has been mentioned, but in my opinion, the fastest and best way to find this guy?  Let the hunters go after him!

 

1. Only 1 out of 10 hunters withoutt training would actually pull tje trigger on a human.
2. This guy has military training and combat experience. Most hunters don't have this. This means a lot of hunters would get killed.

Don't remember the source, sorry about that. But don't freshly trained military do the same thing in their first fire fight?

It used to be that way because of how we trained. But training changed after Korea so now instead of 1 out of 10 firing to kill now it is only 1 of 10 who DOESN'T shoot to kill. With modern training between tje MILES gear and sim rounds by the time I got into my first firefight I had been in like 100 training firefights before and so training took over and I properly reacted.  Training is what seperates a soldier from a hunter.  An excellant book about this is "On Killing" by LTC Rex Grossman. 

[colockumelk]

Mike LOL yeah that happens. That's why if at all possible before I left the wire I took a healthy dump to avoid this. 

[BAR C3]

I dont know if this has been mentioned, but in my opinion, the fastest and best way to find this guy?  Let the hunters go after him!

 

1. Only 1 out of 10 hunters withoutt training would actually pull tje trigger on a human.
2. This guy has military training and combat experience. Most hunters don't have this. This means a lot of hunters would get killed.

Colockum you and I agree!
I'am trained to go after this guy and I will tell you right now your going in on the defensive. This is a bad situation! I was a Commander of a SWAT and Tactical Tracking team. You can only imagine if this guy has the training they say he has, how bad this could get. You will catch him, but there will be some more victims if he has a will to die. He can plant his butt somewhere and peck people off when they are approaching him. This is mission that should involve some very high speed federal tactical teams. Not even a routine Police Officer should be out looking for this guy.  If you live in Packwood and or Morton, load your weapons and have your place secure. If he is in the Skate Creek  area, he is probably going to be headed in that area. Like the article said, he is looking to get out of snow. It is much harder to track in the less obvious. It is also much slower and trackers are more vulnerable.
It's ashame what this guy did, but this is just a glimmer of what these military men and women are dealing with as they return. War is hard on people. From someone that has had a lifetime to deal with a father with PTSD from Vietnam, this is as bad as it gets when they start victimizing other people. That I can't figure out. Especially a person in uniform. RIP to the Park Ranger. It's been a rough couple years for Law Enforcement Officers.

[colockumelk]

BATCH3. Definately agree well said. Especially adding even a street cop doesn't have the proper training. There is nothing more dangerous than tracking someone with nothing to lose.  I do disagree that the war is not to blame. 99% of people who return with PTSD get back to normal and lead productive lives. This is just a loser POS who is a direct result of lowering the standards for people enlisting.

My prayers go out to the family of tje fallen officer and to the men tracking this guy. I just wish these giys would be allowed to have helicopter support in finding this guy. A fixed wing plane is almost useless. They need a helicopter but due to safety reasons they wont get one. 

Thanks for your service BARC3

[NateR]

Sounds like the SOB is dead.