observatory bulls numbers down next year

[colockumelk]

That was a good article.  That's funny I just watched Skull Bound TV the other day. Jana is freakin HOT. Also she does some incredible art work on Euro mounts.  With beads and paint.  Cool stuff.  I know you are between a rock and a hard place.  Hopefully members here can supply you with pictures and stuff needed so that your position isn't so hard.  And your last sentance is spot on.  The POPULAR thing is not always the RIGHT thing.  Often times it is more difficult to make the hard right decision than the easy left.  You do great things and I am sure that you will continue to do great things.  Some may think it is impossible or not worth while but I think the two sides can come to an agreement and have reporting and proper managment and still maintain the heritage customs and traditions of your people.   

[270Shooter]

I have not read all of the posts in this thread, so I do not know where this topic has gone but today I was on the reservation looking for ducks and as we passes a house (natives) there were skinned deer carcasses hanging from the tree in the yard, unfortunately it looked like the deer had been hanging for a very long time. We're talking like 2-3 weeks plus. I know some people hang their deer for a short time but this seemed ridiculous and there was no way they were going to be able to eat either of these deer.

Thats some subsistance hunting for you

I'll PM you
You have a general area for this residence?  If it's still in the state that you mentioned then it can be pursued for wastage.  Also does anybody have any info. regarding these incidents?  Pics, video, lic. plates or anything usable for possible violations?

[wazzu99]

Which gates are they driving around?

[PlateauNDN]

I'm assuming they are entering from the chinook pass side?   That side does not have a gate and you can get all the way to the gates on the Wenas side IF you know where you're going.  I'd say the road but that would be helping.

[buglebuster]

I'm assuming they are entering from the chinook pass side?   That side does not have a gate and you can get all the way to the gates on the Wenas side IF you know where you're going.  I'd say the road but that would be helping.

They don't have to go that far out of the way I don't think. Observatory road is locked but Hanson pond road isn't. When you get clear up to the observatory there is another gate the sometimes is not shut. If it Is there Is pretty much a road around it through the trees.

[wazzu99]

Not a safety zone in this area I assume.  So as long as you don't go through or around the area right at the gate you are ok to be in there? 

Another fantastic job by our game department..........

[PlateauNDN]

I'm assuming they are entering from the chinook pass side?   That side does not have a gate and you can get all the way to the gates on the Wenas side IF you know where you're going.  I'd say the road but that would be helping.

They don't have to go that far out of the way I don't think. Observatory road is locked but Hanson pond road isn't. When you get clear up to the observatory there is another gate the sometimes is not shut. If it Is there Is pretty much a road around it through the trees.

I don't know I've always assumed they closed all the gates that enter into the observatory beginning of December, learned something new today.  I know the Audobon, Maloy and Observatory rd are always closed and I just assumed the rest were as well, but guess not.  I've seen the road you're talking about and it was tore up pretty good when I went through there earlier this year during the opener.   

Not worth getting a ticket for trespassing in my opinion so once the snow flies we stay out of that area. 

[biggdogg]

Why would u get a trespassing ticket because there is a gate doesn't mean its private property every place talked about is not private property anyways

[biggdogg]

I want to disagree with the thread I seen lots of bulls up there probably close to 20 bulls in two different trips and lots o true spikes not to many people up in that area not that I seen anyways

[colockumelk]

Why would u get a trespassing ticket because there is a gate doesn't mean its private property every place talked about is not private property anyways

You're joking right 

If there is a locked gate it means that it is closed to vehicular traffic. If you are caught behind the gate with a motorized vehicle you WILL get a ticket that you will have to pay. You can still walk behind it though.

[400out]

I want to disagree with the thread I seen lots of bulls up there probably close to 20 bulls in two different trips and lots o true spikes not to many people up in that area not that I seen anyways

is this during the week season 

[PlateauNDN]

Why would u get a trespassing ticket because there is a gate doesn't mean its private property every place talked about is not private property anyways

You're joking right 

If there is a locked gate it means that it is closed to vehicular traffic. If you are caught behind the gate with a motorized vehicle you WILL get a ticket that you will have to pay. You can still walk behind it though.
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No I'm not joking. Winter months I don't hunt and it turns into sightseeing for my family. Kids love seeing tje animals up close ALIVE. So when the gates close that means no driving around sightseeing in the area and to much gas to go up chinook and drive backwards. No walking in snow with my daughter who loves animals. I don't want a ticket for havinmg a vehicle behind a closed gate.

[sled]

  I have been hunting observatory, and manastash for 29 years and every year there is less elk!  Its even hard to fill a cow tag in the modern. Season.

[colockumelk]

Plat you spelled the as "tje" You must have a smart phone. Don't you love autocorrect

To answer your question yes. You will get a ticket. My family does the same thing in the winter. Looks at animals. The WDFW to protect animals from poachers, tribal hunters and harassmemt from snowmobilers have closed a lot of roads so the animals don't get unnecessary pressure and stress when they are trying to survive the winter. If you see a road with a gate you can't drive behind it. Further more its a green dot area so if the road does not have a green dot sign then you can't drive behind it either. Same thing if caught you will get a ticket.

[ribka]

This year due to lack of snow can access via back roads , Umtanum, Nile, Little Naches via a few gates. Cascade Park is open due to late logging and natives driving into areas that are normally closed in years past. I have seen a few WDFW vehicles patrolling these areas.  (Emails sent by me and neighbors) Hopefully citations issued.

Elk and deer need to be left alone in their Wintering grounds!

Based upon personal observations if people cannot drive to areas they will not poach. Shame WDFW will not gate off areas in the Nile Wenas, Clockum, YTC, Manastash, Little Naches during Winter months. Imo