observatory bulls numbers down next year

[sled]

im not talking about making you happy. hell your not happy with the current rules and regs as it is. everyone has the answer and WDFW sucks. thats what i get from most of the talk out there. my grandchilderen will be hunting and fishing just like i am right now. and dont talk about what i take for my family and how much game we eat. you dont know the culture the people or the history of the people.

greedy poeple!!!  Bye the way anyone can go to a museum, or read about the history.  Its not rocket science.  Is bs because as i stated before there is not enough resources to feed families like that anymore.  I would love to be able to shoot enough for my extended family also.  If everyone did that there wouldn't. Be much left would there?  Unfourtanately most people need to have jobs to buy beef chicken, and pork to feed their families for the remainder of the year  after the one deer or elk they were lucky enough to harvest if they did is gone.

[adamR]

"You dont know the culture the people or the history of the people"
Do you?
did your great grandfather go out in his motor driven vehicle with his buddies and their high powered rifles and shoot as many elk as they wanted?
or did they ride their horses out and shoot with primitive weapons? get just enough for the tribe and have respect for what they took or didn't take, they didn't fill a truck bed full of meat because they didn't have a truck bed to fill? I believe they had their backs and horses to carry the animals back.
Don't pull that culture crap on me, it's in no way the same as it was when they made the treaty.

[Pinetar]

Again HairTrigger - I would love to hear about the Umatillas game management plan that you would like to have implemented. What kind of seasons do they have?

[HairTrigger]

Did your people use quads an utvs and modern equipment no I think not an yes I do know the history of our people including yours they don't teach ours in school at all except all the bad stuff which is of a people tryn to defend themselves 

[HairTrigger]

I come from a place once called spearfish which is now under water from the dams

[igotbigbulls]

if you want to know pinetar look it up on the web. ive posted our regs before. if you dont know, then educate yourself. adamr you just want to stir the pot. i know where all my family comes from. the non indian and the indian. back to the 1500's. i know where i come from and where im headed.  quit hatin and being jealous. get off this computer and do something about it. oh yeah im sure your an all talk kinda guy.

[igotbigbulls]

sorry pinetar. heres the link.  http://www.umatilla.nsn.us/huntingRegs2011.pdf

[sled]

  You two fools are only making the Native American poeple look even worse!  YOU ARE IGNORANT!!!  there is no reason to be jealous of you  either.

[adamR]

if you want to know pinetar look it up on the web. ive posted our regs before. if you dont know, then educate yourself. adamr you just want to stir the pot. i know where all my family comes from. the non indian and the indian. back to the 1500's. i know where i come from and where im headed.  quit hatin and being jealous. get off this computer and do something about it. oh yeah im sure your an all talk kinda guy.

I'm not trying to stir the pot, you are the one who brought up your culture.  I'm not saying it's wrong for you to hunt with advanced weapons and vehicles.  What I'm saying is you can't bring up culture and the past, it's a whole different world now.  I'm all for natives using whatever they want to hunt with they have that right, however, I don't believe the same rules should apply in a new playing field. 
Don't worry about me getting off the computer and doing something about it, I've got my plan to bring native "culture" to public light.  All talk kinda guy? We'll see pal...

[igotbigbulls]

just because we use cars doesnt mean most of our cultural heritage is not still intact. we practice the same things weve been practicing for hundreds of years. stories, language, dance and singing is also a huge part of our culture that has been passed down. i wish more people understood reservation life. you can bring to light whatever you want. hopefully it does some good and the abusers will be punished more appropriately. but dont think that by trying to put tribal hunting in a bad light as a whole is going to accomplish much.


and sled. get over it. and shut up about it.

[Pinetar]

You know what HairTrigger, I see where you are coming from now?? Neither of our ancestors used ATV, trucks or high powered rifles so does this make it right now that we can go ahead and decimate our elk and deer on their winter grounds throughout the entire winter? I get a 10 day season to hunt elk in late/early Oct. and November to shoot a spike elk and try to find a 3pt or better deer, this is working for the wildlife and has for 18 years, since the draw system was implemented. In fact our elk herds have gotten healthier because we sacrificed by hunting nothing but spikes and a shorter season. We didn't have all this tribal hunting out of Ellensburg till our bulls started getting bigger, now all of a sudden theirs tons of interest in killing off all the Big Bulls by the tribes.

If we all went out hunting OUR winter grounds in late December and January shooting OUR elk and deer I can guarantee you igotbigbulls grandchildren will have no reason to learn his ancestors way of subsistence hunting.

I'm sorry to hear that your town of Spearfish was flooded, which I'm pretty sure that it was your ancestors that lived there and not you yourself. Lets not use this logic to the sacrifice of OUR wildlife. I'm sure that your ancestors would not be pleased with this way of thinking.

igotbigbulls- THANKS for the link. I will read it and try and get educated towards your way of subsistence hunting.

[buglebuster]

Can I change my vote on the native topic poll? I dont want to see this sh!t anymore 

[igotbigbulls]

You know what HairTrigger, I see where you are coming from now?? Neither of our ancestors used ATV, trucks or high powered rifles so does this make it right now that we can go ahead and decimate our elk and deer on their winter grounds throughout the entire winter? I get a 10 day season to hunt elk in late/early Oct. and November to shoot a spike elk and try to find a 3pt or better deer, this is working for the wildlife and has for 18 years, since the draw system was implemented. In fact our elk herds have gotten healthier because we sacrificed by hunting nothing but spikes and a shorter season. We didn't have all this tribal hunting out of Ellensburg till our bulls started getting bigger, now all of a sudden theirs tons of interest in killing off all the Big Bulls by the tribes.

If we all went out hunting OUR winter grounds in late December and January shooting OUR elk and deer I can guarantee you igotbigbulls grandchildren will have no reason to learn his ancestors way of subsistence hunting.

I'm sorry to hear that your town of Spearfish was flooded, which I'm pretty sure that it was your ancestors that lived there and not you yourself. Lets not use this logic to the sacrifice of OUR wildlife. I'm sure that your ancestors would not be pleased with this way of thinking.

igotbigbulls- THANKS for the link. I will read it and try and get educated towards your way of subsistence hunting.

but im positive they wouldnt want us giving up anymore than already has been. thats what the treaty accomplished. no more killing from either side and we ll give ya this area for your own to do as you please. and some more area that youve been used to hunting fishing and gathering on also keep doing what your doing. just no more killing.

[sled]

You know what HairTrigger, I see where you are coming from now?? Neither of our ancestors used ATV, trucks or high powered rifles so does this make it right now that we can go ahead and decimate our elk and deer on their winter grounds throughout the entire winter? I get a 10 day season to hunt elk in late/early Oct. and November to shoot a spike elk and try to find a 3pt or better deer, this is working for the wildlife and has for 18 years, since the draw system was implemented. In fact our elk herds have gotten healthier because we sacrificed by hunting nothing but spikes and a shorter season. We didn't have all this tribal hunting out of Ellensburg till our bulls started getting bigger, now all of a sudden theirs tons of interest in killing off all the Big Bulls by the tribes.

If we all went out hunting OUR winter grounds in late December and January shooting OUR elk and deer I can guarantee you igotbigbulls grandchildren will have no reason to learn his ancestors way of subsistence hunting.

I'm sorry to hear that your town of Spearfish was flooded, which I'm pretty sure that it was your ancestors that lived there and not you yourself. Lets not use this logic to the sacrifice of OUR wildlife. I'm sure that your ancestors would not be pleased with this way of thinking.

igotbigbulls- THANKS for the link. I will read it and try and get educated towards your way of subsistence hunting.

but im positive they wouldnt want us giving up anymore than already has been. thats what the treaty accomplished. no more killing from either side and we ll give ya this area for your own to do as you please. and some more area that youve been used to hunting fishing and gathering on also keep doing what your doing. just no more killing.

  Dont get it.  Who is they?, And I you know that changing a few things as far as wildlife harvest goes would only benfit the wildlife you claim you need. There is no reason in hell that one family needs more than one deer and one elk in a year.

[Ellensburg]

They shot up all of the big ones on one side of valley so now it is time to go plunder the other side. Makes sense to me!