observatory bulls numbers down next year

[longknife]

lets keep the topic at hand so what does casinos have to do with hunting? you still never answered my question about the fish pics. Just to let u know i tried and wasted enough time trying to deal with the bad apples i have  no power to anything about it so i gave up on it,why don't u ask plateau ndn the same questions and see what kind of response u get back, and believe me the hunting on the rez is a lot harder than u think our elk r smart, and don't depend anybody to feed them in the winter( ours r not welfare elk) that's why so many yakamas hunt off rez most r not in my position and get to be in the mountains 5 to 7 days a week to work so advantage me i know where the animals r, and don't bs me about man kind took over their wintering grounds those elk were set up fail as soon as the first bail of hay was set out to feed them.  Ethical tribal hunters don't bother me, some tribal hunters bother me   

You dont need to know who in  your heritage is wasting salmon, cuz you dont do it rite? Just turn the other way, like always.
 Rebuilding pride with casino $, so you can buy the balls to report poaching EITHER WAY, white, black, brown, yellow it just takes a set of balls, or pride witch you lack. Love how your elk are soo smart, you cant shoot them!ROFLMAO 
Why dont you speek to Plateau, and figure your s#@t out! I know what i see, and document, i dont need approval from you, or your elders.

[biggdogg]

All I was asking was yakama or not u need to take a chill pill I never disrespected u but if u want to keep disrespecting me I can give u my address and u can come talk to me face to face I'm not fond of shi* talking behind a computer oh I can aso show a horn collection of my rez kills lt me pull the race card u sound more racist then anybody on here 

[PlateauNDN]

Biggdogg, the picture of the salmon dumped was posted in another thread and labeled wastage by the Tulalips.  I think you've done a good job so far and I'm enjoying some time away from tjhe valley and decided to take a peak.  I've said it before and ill say it again, if somebody sees something docu$ent it with proof and ill get it to the right people.  Pics, video and anything 1st hand. That can be substantiated otherwise its just hearsay.  As far as the story by STIK, I read it couple months ago and it presents one point of view from one side which does not make it accurate.  The story passed down from my Elders says different and that's the story ill go by.

[HairTrigger]

I agree biggdogg. I enjoy seeing pictures taken on the rez because its places I can't go. I enjoy reading hairtriggers posts and stories. I wish more of you would post them up but I understand why you don't. And yes as far as the colockum abusers go I know what family does it. I also agree I want pictures not just words. Good post biggdogg.

Every post ive put up has at least one that hates on it
And colock where did I say anything about racial in my last post
An its not just yakamas that fish on the columbia that coulda been some other tribal members that dumped  that im not saying its right.at all just theres more tribes that fish it too
I agree with.biggdogg on that one they shouldnt be able.to fish anymore

[longknife]

All I was asking was yakama or not u need to take a chill pill I never disrespected u but if u want to keep disrespecting me I can give u my address and u can come talk to me face to face I'm not fond of shi* talking behind a computer oh I can aso show a horn collection of my rez kills lt me pull the race card u sound more racist then anybody on here

 I am not afraid to face you!  WOW did i strike a neurve! You cant tell me theres not s$#t in every race??? You can call it the way you want to. What did you forget the other half of the USA thats ethnic background isnt Whities or indian ? All i stated is i DONT CARE WHAT RACE, i WILL turn them in!
The horn collection, dose the set of horns from the rez laugh at the ones off public land??LOL You are the first to tell me this, and i cant stop laughing. Your basicly saying, the elk are too hard to hunt here, i need to go there, next to the alfalfa, and kill them.

All i asked was equality on public land! Whats hard about that?  You cant comment on that, in the last 4 posts i made?
  til you see the bottom line!

[huntinguy]

I am not a big fan of the "when they signed" or 'when they wrote" arguments. That has been used to take too many rights away already.

It is important to note that in the 30's hunting groups brought in elk from Wyoming (iirc) and restarted or supplemented the Ellensburg area and Olympic peninsula.

I do not disagree with tribal rights, though I may wish to, but I think, like all of us, we ALL need to be self policing and limit some activities.

It would be nice if the tribal hunters did not hunt in the refuge areas. That is not a case of anything other than wildlife conservation.

Early Indians as well as white hunters killed a lot of game for profit. I read where one lone Indian hunter in the early 1800s sold over 300 deer hides and others hides as well.  (There is a lot of good reading in old books. )

But, where we are now is in the 21st century and we live longer. Hence, there are less resources. The question is how to share them.

The answer will not come into fruition or even have a seminal moment unless we can all realize we ALL hunt for sport at this point in history.

So, instead of pointing fingers, maybe instead of a Tribal Hunting thread there should be a Shared Solution thread.

One can't put their shoulder to the wheel if there is a chip on it.

 

[colockumelk]

Okay let's calm down and focus on the point of the original post. 
1. Yes casinos are a little off the topic. And I agree with biggdogg that the rez elk are harder to get. I believe what he was referring to is the fact that the reason a lot of tribal hunters hunt the ceded land is because in the winter they are congregated all down low in the winter ground and near roads. Therefore its a lot easier there than on the rez that does not have a feed station network to congregate the elk and deer. Not as many roads and they are not congregated.

2. Wellfare elk. That's pretty funny good one. so true.

3. Biggdogg I applaud your efforts in trying to change things. I ask that you continue to try to make a change. Maybe join with Plateau since two people have a stronger voice than just one. I know we have had our differences in the past but your recent posts on this subject have been pretty good. I agree good job.

4. Hairtrigger I think it was a broad statement. But you have pulled the race card on me a few times.

5. I don't think the Yakima valley was a sportsmans paradise, but I also don't think it was devoid of biggame. If you think of how arid it is, it really isn't suitable for alot of game animals. I expect there was more game in the winter than the summer. I think the explorers describe it as devoid because compared to where they just came from in their travels to get to the Yakima valley it probably was. In Amy case if there were wolves cougars and bears in the area it definately wasn't a sportsmans paradise.   I would have a #6 but Coastal and Plateau can't count that high so theyd get lost, plus I'm sure their attention span ran out ny #3

[sled]

 Its Funny how you can tell how someone is passionate about somthing when they make a post, and then see the arrogances in others just because they can take advatage of somthing when no one can do anything about it.

[longknife]

You stated the damns stopped the runs of fish, and non natives are to blame. How do you like electricity by the way??
 So i posted a pic from past events, of what i see on a yearly bassis on the Stilliguamish.  The piles of fish rotting dosent save the runs, theres more down stream of you, that you dont see, from tribes wasting! I will let you see it, and get some better pics with people, and plate #'s.

Still cant get over how elk are too smart, and you cant adapt, and overcome, just like we have had to!

[sled]

  He will probably say he is the  only one on the rez who doesn't use power

[biggdogg]

man what more do i have to say i dont need to go hunting off rez to kill animals and what the coastal tribes do doesn't concern me if it were yakamas then i know enough people within the tribe that i might be able to make some noise but its people like u longknife that do no good for the problem. I like my power but in the near future i will be buying power our own yakama power starting to produce our own power so it will much better giving my money to the tribe. I did adapt to hunting on the rez have to hunt a lot harder these days. Sorry there is nothing i can do to lengthen your season or help u shoot an animal or wait maybe if i grow a pair u might have some success good luck in the future. I also think your complaining to the wrong people about fish wastage shouldnt that be in the fishing section, and believe me our elk r smarter i see every day of the week

[biggdogg]

hey sled do need some help filling the freezer i could probably guide u to some animals

[biggdogg]

sounds like westsider comments

[biggdogg]

we had power before the dams and im pretty sure we would of still have power

[sled]

  No help needed here bud.