Endangered huh?

[jackmaster]

we all knew you would come out of the closet and fess up that you truly are a tree huggn wolf lover, i cant wait to see your comments in a few years when the big bad wolf is in towns and hurtn humans, which will happen, wolves dont fear humans like all other predators do, what are the greenies gonna do when this happens and its directly affecting your tree huggn wolf lovn group?

[Sitka_Blacktail]

we all knew you would come out of the closet and fess up that you truly are a tree huggn wolf lover, i cant wait to see your comments in a few years when the big bad wolf is in towns and hurtn humans, which will happen, wolves dont fear humans like all other predators do, what are the greenies gonna do when this happens and its directly affecting your tree huggn wolf lovn group?

Your insulting and name calling doesn't address the fact that the tar sands oil recovery is the real culprit in this story.  You have an opinion about that?

[Bigshooter]

What happened to the elk in Yellowstone???

[jackmaster]

sitka i wasnt name calling, you called yourself a tree huggn greenie, did you not? i asked you a couple questions in my last post that obviously upset you, no i dont have an opinion on tar sands, its simple, the activists are always gonna blame hunters or big business for the decline of elk and deer or even caribou, but i can tell you this the green peacers and tree huggers and bunny lovers do alot more harm than good, logging is almost non existent, well sorry to tell you but that creates more habitat than anything else you could come up with, and alot of people lost their jobs and businesses, oh and another thingwhen are the antis gonna step up and actually help the animals and habitat by supporting the wdfw like the sportsman do, and quit going after people either one trying to make a living or quit attacking the sportsman by banning hunting and last but not least, you can spew all the numbers and facts you want, common sense is the only way all of us can prevail here, and all that has to happen is sit the hell up and open your eyes and see what the hell is going on in neihboring states and see what is going on there with the wolves, it isnt that hard, oh and yellowstones elk heard untimely demise is soley layed on the wolves shoulds and those that support them, wolves CANNOT be controlled once they get out of hand and that is why such drastic measures had to be taken to eradicate them in the first damn place     

[bearpaw]

we all knew you would come out of the closet and fess up that you truly are a tree huggn wolf lover, i cant wait to see your comments in a few years when the big bad wolf is in towns and hurtn humans, which will happen, wolves dont fear humans like all other predators do, what are the greenies gonna do when this happens and its directly affecting your tree huggn wolf lovn group?

Your insulting and name calling doesn't address the fact that the tar sands oil recovery is the real culprit in this story.  You have an opinion about that?

Sitka, we have already shown that the problem can mostly be resolved by simply killing wolves. Let hunters, arial gunners, and trappers do their work and the caribou will be fine. You anti-everthing people are undeniably largely what is wrong with America. 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Sitka, we have already shown that the problem can mostly be resolved by simply killing wolves. Let hunters, arial gunners, and trappers do their work and the caribou will be fine. You anti-everthing people are undeniably largely what is wrong with America. 

Where did you show that?  Simply killing wolves is a pretty simplistic solution.

And just what do you think I'm anti? Anti everything is a pretty wide net you're casting.

[seth30]

we all knew you would come out of the closet and fess up that you truly are a tree huggn wolf lover, i cant wait to see your comments in a few years when the big bad wolf is in towns and hurtn humans, which will happen, wolves dont fear humans like all other predators do, what are the greenies gonna do when this happens and its directly affecting your tree huggn wolf lovn group?

Your insulting and name calling doesn't address the fact that the tar sands oil recovery is the real culprit in this story.  You have an opinion about that?

Sitka, we have already shown that the problem can mostly be resolved by simply killing wolves. Let hunters, arial gunners, and trappers do their work and the caribou will be fine. You anti-everthing people are undeniably largely what is wrong with America. 

:yeah:x2

[jackmaster]

SITKA, in all your wisdom what should we do to keep these wolves in check, you know damn good and well that is exactly whats gonna happen? or what do we do to create more habitat, and if logging isnt at the number one spot then you are WRONG, wolves do not belong in the lower 48, and thanks to tree huggn greenies as you call yourself we have lost baiting and hound huntn oh and trappn, can you give us a hint of what you and your pals are gonna try to take from us next......,. dude seriously cant wait for these wolves to take up residence in your backyard...... ASTA LEWAGO.....

[Sitka_Blacktail]

SITKA, in all your wisdom what should we do to keep these wolves in check, you know damn good and well that is exactly whats gonna happen? or what do we do to create more habitat, and if logging isnt at the number one spot then you are WRONG, wolves do not belong in the lower 48, and thanks to tree huggn greenies as you call yourself we have lost baiting and hound huntn oh and trappn, can you give us a hint of what you and your pals are gonna try to take from us next......,. dude seriously cant wait for these wolves to take up residence in your backyard...... ASTA LEWAGO.....

Don't blow a gasket Jack.  I agree, well managed logging, along with good old fashioned fire, are a hunter's good friend. I've pointed that out many times.

You're making a critical mistake tho, to think that loving the habitat that makes my favorite pursuit possible, is somehow a bad thing.

And I'm as upset about the hound hunting ban as you are. I don't think wildlife management should be subject to popular vote.  I think hunters need to trust that management is trying to do the best they know how with the tools they have at their disposal.

And lastly, I've had a cougar wandering around my house, (in the city) for the last couple years. I've also lived in Alaska for over 30 years, so I don't think a couple wolves will bother me.

[Wenatcheejay]

SITKA, in all your wisdom what should we do to keep these wolves in check, you know damn good and well that is exactly whats gonna happen? or what do we do to create more habitat, and if logging isnt at the number one spot then you are WRONG, wolves do not belong in the lower 48, and thanks to tree huggn greenies as you call yourself we have lost baiting and hound huntn oh and trappn, can you give us a hint of what you and your pals are gonna try to take from us next......,. dude seriously cant wait for these wolves to take up residence in your backyard...... ASTA LEWAGO.....

Don't blow a gasket Jack.  I agree, well managed logging, along with good old fashioned fire, are a hunter's good friend. I've pointed that out many times.

You're making a critical mistake tho, to think that loving the habitat that makes my favorite pursuit possible, is somehow a bad thing.

And I'm as upset about the hound hunting ban as you are. I don't think wildlife management should be subject to popular vote.  I think hunters need to trust that management is trying to do the best they know how with the tools they have at their disposal.

And lastly, I've had a cougar wandering around my house, (in the city) for the last couple years. I've also lived in Alaska for over 30 years, so I don't think a couple wolves will bother me.

Agreed. "A couple" is the key. & there has always been that.

It seems that the past wolf policy with Pro-Wolf advocacy shows that set goal posts change. As DFW says, sure they agree to a number but there is nothing holding them to it. That is when Sportsman turned agaisnt the program. None of this had or has to be. However we were lied to. Once you loose the public trust, once someone no longer trusts you how do you get it back? Even now there is a never ending push to end all predator control measures. If one wishes to keep any resembalence of the management model I speak of, unless they have given up and taken up a resident season they need to stop listening to your side. Your side lies. I'm not saying you. You have been polite and I am not namecalling here. But you said that humans only hunt horns, trophies. That is a lie. It is not true, not of a sportsman. Not of the model I speak of. It simply is not what is.  So what do you use to get back trust?

Force?

[Sitka_Blacktail]

 You have been polite and I am not namecalling here. But you said that humans only hunt horns, trophies. That is a lie. It is not true, not of a sportsman. Not of the model I speak of. It simply is not what is. 

I'm pretty sure I said many humans hunt for trophies. Not all humans. But most of us including me (most of the time) will pick a big one over a small one if they are side by side.  The point is, human hunters put different pressures on the prey animals than wolves do. And cervids and wolves have a symbiotic relationship, meaning it is beneficial to both species.  it's built into their biology.

[sebek556]

  and you know it. If you do not know it look up wolves killing for sport. You will find tons of videos all over the net on it. Also they will run the herd until it is weak and sick, I have seen this personal on a family trip to yellow stone 2 years ago. We saw very few elk, on a two week stay and the ones I saw, I would not have shot they looked sickly and about dead. Only eating for 5 minutes out of a 30 min stop, then the wolves would chase again drop one, kill it then they were off again. Never even biting the downed elk after the kill. I do not see anything benefical to the prey from this.  How about the elk in LoLo ID giving birth on cliff faces where 90% of the calfs fall of to their death now instead of the elk tradtional birthing grounds. Is this also a benefit? wolves benefit their prey.right

[furbearer365]

Sitka .  Why wolves, did one save you from drowning or something?  Why not save yourself the hassel and start loving coyotes, they are already here and in great numbers.  You have had a chance to prove your point and have not done so.  You are to the point on this site that it would be in your best interest not to post anything because you have been labled.  You are the anti on a site that is hunter friendly.  You are what i would be to a PETA forum. 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

   How about the elk in LoLo ID giving birth on cliff faces where 90% of the calfs fall of to their death now instead of the elk tradtional birthing grounds.

You and Furbearer are real classy guys. I can tell, warm and fuzzy too. lol

Now where did you get this bs story you're trying to sell us.  Provide us a link because this would be very informational.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Sitka .    You are to the point on this site that it would be in your best interest not to post anything because you have been labled.  You are the anti on a site that is hunter friendly.  You are what i would be to a PETA forum.

Oh darn Furbearer, my feelings are really hurt.  I've been labeled? GASP!  The problem is, I'm not an anti. I'm a hunter through and through and it really doesn't matter what you or anyone else believes. I am what you would be to a PETA forum too except I'm probably not as rude as you are. But I've called PETA out many times. Written letters to the editor calling them out. I even got a letter of Congratulations from  an Alaska State Legislator for writing a letter to the Anchorage Daily News to tell Pricilla Feral what an idiot I thought she was over PETA's campaign telling children that their parents who fished were murderers and inhumane. I pointed out to her that in nature, fish are eaten alive. The first thing bears do is pull the skin off of a salmon when they eat them and they are still alive.  And while they are dying after spawning, the first thing seagulls go after is their eyes. you see fish all over partially eaten with their eyes pecked out and they are still alive.  I told her that I didn't see how bopping one on the head with a club or rock or cutting it's gills to bleed to death was all that cruel compared to what happens to the ones humans don't kill.

Anti my arse.