New Calibers........

[bobcat]

A 25 WSM would be nice. Really no need for it though, as it wouldn't be much different than the 270 WSM.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/5973406/Why_not_a_257_SAUM_or_257WSM#Post5973406

A 257 Weatherby would outperform it, although in a longer action.

Thanks for that Bob. I see Jon Barsness is posting in that thread. I really like that guy and enjoy his posts. I used to spend a lot of time at 24 Hour Campfire but have kind of forgotten about it lately. There are sure a lot of really knowledgeable people that post there.

[Wanttohuntmore]

Maybe they should come out with a 3006, a 308, and a 223.  I think those would really be efficient and do the job well   JK.

Seriously, though, with all the new cartridges, it's getting to where the old ones look more appealing to me.  I have bought my share of new stuff though, when the marketing geniuses do a good job and convince me to buy!

[JackOfAllTrades]

Why reinvent the wheel?  The 25-06 Ackley Improved will do nearly what the Weatherby will, will much less powder = less recoil than the short mags or the long weatherby cartridges.  Yes, still on a long action though.

http://www.reloadersnest.com/query_bw.asp?CaliberID=293&BulletWeight=120

vs:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/25mag.htm

-Steve

[JimmyHoffa]

Maybe they should come out with a 3006, a 308, and a 223.  I think those would really be efficient and do the job well   JK.

I've kind of been thinking a similar thought.  At first it seemed like all the new cartridges were filling in voids in between the standard cartridges....now it seems like the void area has been mostly filled and the even newer stuff has one or two rounds that are virtually the same ballistically, but now you get choice on action length or shoulder angle.  Either way it is pretty cool how much selection is available these days. 

[bobcat]

Maybe they should come out with a 3006, a 308, and a 223.  I think those would really be efficient and do the job well   JK.

Seriously, though, with all the new cartridges, it's getting to where the old ones look more appealing to me.  I have bought my share of new stuff though, when the marketing geniuses do a good job and convince me to buy!

 

That's actually my mindset now. I remember when I was younger I always wondered why anyone would buy a 30-06. It's too "old" and slow and boring! Now I just really don't think a 30-06 can be beat. My main rifle is a 270 but my back up is a 30-06. Then I have a 243 that I bought for the wife, which will end up being the kids' rifle because she doesn't and won't use it. Yep, pretty boring, 243, 270, and 30-06.  Must mean I'm getting old.

[Bob33]

Why reinvent the wheel?  The 25-06 Ackley Improved will do nearly what the Weatherby will, will much less powder = less recoil than the short mags or the long weatherby cartridges.  Yes, still on a long action though.

http://www.reloadersnest.com/query_bw.asp?CaliberID=293&BulletWeight=120

vs:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/25mag.htm

-Steve

Steve, the 25-06 is a great cartridge, and the 25-06 AI improves on it, but it is not a 257 Weatherby.  Showing one load for the 25-06 AI is impressive, but not necessarily realistic.  I can find loads for a 257 Weatherby that show 100 grain bullets going 3800 ft/second.

With equivalently safe pressures, a 257 Weatherby should beat a 25-06 AI by at least 100 ft/second and more likely 150-200.

The 257 Weatherby is a factory caliber with factory ammunition; the AI is not.

I have nothing about the 25-06 and the AI version, but I don't consider them to be quite the equal of the  Roy.

[JackOfAllTrades]

Can you elaborate on that? I'm just curious. If I was looking for a new rifle for long range shooting with minimal recoil, I think I'd be looking pretty hard at the 270 WSM. I don't think a 25 WSM would provide any advantage, other than even less recoil. But it sure seems like a 25 WSM should be capable of matching 257 Weatherby velocities.

Why reinvent the wheel?  The 25-06 Ackley Improved will do nearly what the Weatherby will, with much less powder = less recoil. -Steve

Steve, the 25-06 is a great cartridge, and the 25-06 AI improves on it, but it is not a 257 Weatherby.  Showing one load for the 25-06 AI is impressive, but not necessarily realistic.  I can find loads for a 257 Weatherby that show 100 grain bullets going 3800 ft/second.

With equivalently safe pressures, a 257 Weatherby should beat a 25-06 AI by at least 100 ft/second and more likely 150-200.

The 257 Weatherby is a factory caliber with factory ammunition; the AI is not.

I have nothing about the 25-06 and the AI version, but I don't consider them to be quite the equal of the  Roy.

The AI will shoot factory ammo, fireforming it for the handloader. I didn't say or mean that the 25-06 equals the Roy at all. "Near", with less recoil.  Which is my point.. There is no need for a 25wsm. While the 25wsm has nearly the same case capacity of the Roy, to me, that 20% more powder to get a couple hundred more fps isn't worth it as the 25cal AI gives all but maximum velocity that the Roy can, but with often more than a couple pounds less recoil over the 25wsm and the Roy. With given bullet/gun weights, the variable is the powder charge in each case to equal velocities. While the Roy can achieve higher velocities, (and maybe the WSM can do near as well), they will use more powder to do so.  OK.. At this point some say, 'Duh'. But if you're not looking to melt the barrel every time you're pulling the trigger, then the AI wins with cheaper brass, plentiful options from the retail shelf,  -and I just like to point out the AI's to hand loaders because so many people forget about them, to justify that much of the hype on shortmags is nothing more than just hot air. Don't get me started on the 338Federal either!

-Steve

[Bob33]

Steve, no offense intended.

The 257 Weatherby does use more powder to get increased velocity.  I don't find the recoil objectionable, but some may.  As for barrel life, I don't worry about that personally because I don't shoot enough through a 257 to burn it out.

The 25-06 AI will shoot factory 25-06 ammo, but at reduced velocity.

A great caliber for handloaders.

[elkinrutdrivemenuts]

I really don't know what else they could come out with?  There really isn't a gap anywhere that needs a new round.  I have had a bad obsession with magnum rifles, 30 cal and 338, but I can't afford to try all the ones out there, so please don't introduce a new one, I'd go broke! 

[JackOfAllTrades]

I take no offense!   This is a discussion, and each of us can justfy our claims.  In fact, for most popular powder choices the Roy needs more powder (as would the 25wsm), in the case for a given bullet to attain the Same velocities of the slightly lesser AI. I don't dispute the Roy's ultra high velocity abilities. I dispute the need for the 25wsm, and that it would provide any noticable recoil difference than the Roy, but that the 25AI should fit the bill as a lesser recoiling long range cartridge. -as was Bobcat's question.

-Steve

[high country]

We could use a standardized 6.5suam and a 6-06.

[high country]

I take no offense!   This is a discussion, and each of us can justfy our claims.  In fact, for most popular powder choices the Roy needs more powder (as would the 25wsm), in the case for a given bullet to attain the Same velocities of the slightly lesser AI. I don't dispute the Roy's ultra high velocity abilities. I dispute the need for the 25wsm, and that it would provide any noticable recoil difference than the Roy, but that the 25AI should fit the bill as a lesser recoiling long range cartridge. -as was Bobcat's question.

-Steve

Add in the cost of the dies too. Ai dies are always more money and reamer rent when you build it since it is not in every smiths cabinet.

[ing]

A true .338 WSM...  not a .325.

Ruger's 338 RCM doesn't count?

[huntnphool]

 Although not brand new the 7mm/300WSM is pretty cool, I know of at least one guy on here thats using it now.

[Wanttohuntmore]

I'll always want a premium 280 ackley, but reality, a 3006, with a 24" tube, a laser rangefinder, some R22, and it'll do anything you want it to in this continent.  The only reason I use my 7STW more is due to it being more accurate, and I'm more used to a rem action.  The flattness of it's trajectory isn't a concern like it was pre-rangefinder days....