bugling in elk question

[blacktailcrzy]

i am really avid about trying to learn to bugle in elk  but i am having a hard time finding a mouth reed that fits my mouth right. i can produce some good bugles here and there but i am looking for something more consistency so i was wondering if i switched to a bugle with a built in call or reed or whatever they are if it would be a compromise the sound quality

[DoubleJ]

http://www.elk101.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28&products_id=233

[blacktailcrzy]

have you used that bugle before ? is it worth the  cash

[mikelonsford]

If you can find a mouth reed that works for you, I think you have more flexibilty in the sound you are making and you can almost play it like an instrument to make the sound you want.  You can make decent sounds with the built in versions but again you need to find the right one that works best for you, unfortunately they are spendy to find the right ones.  The main thing is to practice a bunch the first year you get into it, then after that it is easy.  The time spent is worth it, my best hunting experiences all revolve around having called a screaming elk to within 20 yds and have him raking a tree and chuckling right in front of you....AWESOME!!  Good Luck!

Mike

[DoubleJ]

More than worth it.  I cannot cannot cannot use a reed to save my life.  I have tried about half a dozen bugles, opting for cheaper money saving (lol) models from different companies and couldn't get a good sound.  Finally, being fed up with throwing a ton of money towards what amounted to kids toys (That's what they became) I dropped the cash on this and every elk season I kick myself for not buying it first

[boneaddict]

I am currently using a piece of latex glove from work stretched over a hole.   I have used a diaphram, and some with mouth pieces.    One of the best callers I know uses a piece of PVC pipe.   Really it takes practice.    Mouth calls are easier but they tend to all sound alike. Real sounds are better achieved through other methods.   ALL MY OPINION

[DoubleJ]

And once you can get the mouth reed to work for you, just pull off the build in reed and you have a bugle tube ready for use

[DoubleJ]

Blacktailcrazy, where are you located?  I might be able to meet up with you so you can hear it before buying

[blacktailcrzy]

pm sent

[blacktailcrzy]

i have seen tons of people call in elk with a skinny plastic bat so whats the plus side of having a big 3inch bugle ? i am targeting roosies so i am not trying to sound like the biggest baddest bull in the woods

[DoubleJ]

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[bullchaser]

primos small sonic dome white single reed makes really good sounds coupled with a elk nut tube. if your going to lear learn the best sounding equipment.
also reasurch what sounds to make its all about saying the right thing. try hunting high pressure elk it is a killer book for learning elk talk.

[JPhelps]

In my opinion the "snap on" mouth piece bugles have a noticeable sound difference.

I would recommend using all winter to practice and become good with a mouth diaphragm.

Bugling Bull and Primos both offer "mini" or small frame elk calls.  I also know Joel Turner can custom make diaphragms on any sized frame.

[blacktailcrzy]

is there a way to find out or measure my diaphram size

[NWWABOWHNTR]

Try some of Rocky's calls at bugling Bull.. the raised dome diaghram works best for me... lots of practice.  If you get a chance and Rocky Jacobson is holding a seminar in your area, it would be well worth it to attend.  Its not just making bull/cow sounds, its the ability to tell that bull a story....