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Re: Wild fire lookout tear down outside of Darrington. Scary precident.
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2012, 11:19:06 AM »
I agree that the guy that f-ed up should get canned, but we both know thats not gona happen. Who manages that wilderness? I'm guessing its the FS right? So permit or no, what is the benifit to this lawsuit? This isn't some new structure, a hunting camp or something else. Its a piece of history.

If the punishment should fit the crime(which i know the Gov Beurcracy isn't concerned with) It should affect who was incharge of the project and should have filed the piece of paperwork. Pain,$,penalties distributed over the general public do not have any real weight.  :twocents: If you F-up in the private sector it may mean your job, and the company $$$.
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Re: Wild fire lookout tear down outside of Darrington. Scary precident.
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2012, 07:42:13 PM »
this has many split and fighting.I think it was a good move to fix it and fly it in..Funny a lot of those against it say We want it left pristine,in the same paragraph the speak of skiing on untouched slopes in the wilderness..Seems to me soon as one enters the area it is no longer pristine,nice wide trails,neon colored hikers,crapping there...Outfitters are on the list to be outed then hunting..its just gonna be a place for the elite hikers..seems to me flying in the pieces and putting it back together would be less strain on any wildlife than a huge number of trips getting the equipment and materials there..The way i understand it was the lookouts were exempt at first,by wilderness boundaries,but over looked in the 80s,when the areas were rewritten.. :dunno:


 Thats right rasbo.
 If you look at my signature you will see 3 groups that have been fighting these types for a LONG time. RE the wild sky wilderness was 117,000 acres (if I remember it right) larger than the area of it that actually FIT wilderness designation. Now the USFS and many of these folks who thought the repair was legal  (of the lookout) would not compromise about the miles of roads and bridges that were included in the area and were required to be torn out, and I have driven most of them in the past. It was not wilderness,but they took it anyway.
 You may want to check out some issues in the Frank Church wilderness involving  numerous lodges that were supposedly "grandfathered" into the bill, but when it came time to repair them  the extremists insisted they be taken out . I'm not sure, but I believe they won . All they need is a greenie judge,and then the judge writes the law. Why do you think malloy was chosen to hear the wolf case?
 I find it ironic when wanna be greenies get sued by the extremes when they don't see eye to eye. Are these folks WE want to align ourselves with??

 DON"T FORGET Illabot Road, and what they want to do with the Suattle Road next.....  for them it's ALL ABOUT ME and everyone must comply....Resistance is futile.
 Yes all that were involved in the decision making should be fired so they can go to work for those that sued them, or maybe conservation northwest,since they are cut from the same cloth.
 They got what they deserved.
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Re: Wild fire lookout tear down outside of Darrington. Scary precident.
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2012, 06:26:22 AM »
this has many split and fighting.I think it was a good move to fix it and fly it in..Funny a lot of those against it say We want it left pristine,in the same paragraph the speak of skiing on untouched slopes in the wilderness..Seems to me soon as one enters the area it is no longer pristine,nice wide trails,neon colored hikers,crapping there...Outfitters are on the list to be outed then hunting..its just gonna be a place for the elite hikers..seems to me flying in the pieces and putting it back together would be less strain on any wildlife than a huge number of trips getting the equipment and materials there..The way i understand it was the lookouts were exempt at first,by wilderness boundaries,but over looked in the 80s,when the areas were rewritten.. :dunno:


 Thats right rasbo.
 If you look at my signature you will see 3 groups that have been fighting these types for a LONG time. RE the wild sky wilderness was 117,000 acres (if I remember it right) larger than the area of it that actually FIT wilderness designation. Now the USFS and many of these folks who thought the repair was legal  (of the lookout) would not compromise about the miles of roads and bridges that were included in the area and were required to be torn out, and I have driven most of them in the past. It was not wilderness,but they took it anyway.
 You may want to check out some issues in the Frank Church wilderness involving  numerous lodges that were supposedly "grandfathered" into the bill, but when it came time to repair them  the extremists insisted they be taken out . I'm not sure, but I believe they won . All they need is a greenie judge,and then the judge writes the law. Why do you think malloy was chosen to hear the wolf case?
 I find it ironic when wanna be greenies get sued by the extremes when they don't see eye to eye. Are these folks WE want to align ourselves with??

 DON"T FORGET Illabot Road, and what they want to do with the Suattle Road next.....  for them it's ALL ABOUT ME and everyone must comply....Resistance is futile.
 Yes all that were involved in the decision making should be fired so they can go to work for those that sued them, or maybe conservation northwest,since they are cut from the same cloth.
 They got what they deserved.
Just to let you know they are not shutting down Illabot Road http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/mbs/news-events/?cid=STELPRDB5361686.
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Re: Wildfire lookout tear down outside of Darrington. Scary precident.
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2012, 06:33:17 AM »
Most of Wild Sky does not fit true wilderness designation. But that was shoved down out throat by Cantwell and Murray because the tree huggers groups were padding their pockets. Wild Sky is a touchy subject in our area.
Was good to hear the results of Illabot after sending out a few e-mails contesting the closure. 
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Re: Wildfire lookout tear down outside of Darrington. Scary precident.
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2012, 06:34:57 AM »
They sould just make that 20 foot by 20 foot footing under the structure NOT wilderness. 
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Re: Wildfire lookout tear down outside of Darrington. Scary precident.
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2012, 07:21:26 AM »
Perfect solution.  Sell it to a heritage site....   Like you said, that little area.   SOrt of like a gold claim way back in the woods

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Re: Wildfire lookout tear down outside of Darrington. Scary precident.
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2012, 08:25:23 AM »
The gov. used to torch these lookouts all the time in the name of "preventing" vandalism, returning 100% "nature", reducing costs but mostly it was park/forest rangers that thought like this group: anything manmade is BAAAADD.  Then, they changed, and started to see the value of history.  I was on fire lookouts and have hiked to Green Mtn.  I believe every existing LO must be preserved. But for simple wooden structures that the CCC's teenagers put up in the 30's over a summer using only hand tools and horses,  now cost millions to restore?  Probably have to meet all the modern permits, building standards, ADA requirements, fire sprinklers, septic systems, Insulation. You know, to make them last.  Oh, haven't those simple structures managed to sit in the world's harshest places for 80 years--maybe they were built right in the first place.  Appeal this ruling!

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Re: Wildfire lookout tear down outside of Darrington. Scary precident.
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2012, 07:36:26 PM »
Most of Wild Sky does not fit true wilderness designation. But that was shoved down out throat by Cantwell and Murray because the tree huggers groups were padding their pockets. Wild Sky is a touchy subject in our area.
Was good to hear the results of Illabot after sending out a few e-mails contesting the closure.

 Could not agree more.
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