Quality bull permits

[Bigshooter]

I have applied in every western state but calif.  Washington has by far one of the fairest points systems.  The only thing that I would like to see change is you get 1 choice for qualtiy permits and 2 choices for everything else.

[GoPlayOutside]

What is your idea of "Quality Bull" in this state?  That is where the debate/question is.
In my Opinion....You just have to realize that a true "Quality Bull tag" in this State will require massive patience, or Luck.  As I sit on my 10 points, I realize that the 2 units I put in for could take another 10-20 years...that's my choice. 
However, I can hunt "Quality Bulls" in other states almost every other year. 

To me...Quality worth the waiting 10-30 years for in my home state (WA) is 350"+ in the Rut.  However, I will hold a Washington 350" bull in the same regards as a Arizona 390", New Mexico 380", Wyoming 380", etc. 

I just REALLY want a Nice/Quality Bull in my home state!  So I am happy to wait.
(Now you can see why people get so pissed about poaching and "folks" that don't play by the WDFW's rules) now that's a topic that has 

[MADMAX]

If we could hunt the westside general season and apply for the eastside them maybe I would understand that a 350 bull is definetely quality, public land archery hunting on the westside, unless you pack in or have horses , is no picnic.
I don't like eastside hunting spikes and waiting for ever to draw for branched.
I was pretty darn happy with taking a 4x4 archery bull on my quality tag.
Thats my choice

[Kowsrule30]

I don't think much more could be changed and it would never be liked by all or most.... What I would like changed.... One choice for every category... Meaning one choice for "quality," bull, and antlerless... That increase odds in some areas and decrease odds in others.... But this would weed out the ones who put in for all the choices and don't have a clue where to begin when they get there.... I have drawn a "quality" tag before.... I had only 3 days to hunt before general season opened up.... It was nice but I didn't feel it was quite enough to have a true "quality" hunt with the tag at hand.... 3 years later my Dad drew the same "quality" tag and had one day to hunt with 6 or 7 other tag holders out there... Not even close to a "quality" experience if you ask me.... You figure you wait long enough to draw the tag and scout like crazy when you do... To get one to 3 days to hunt before general season opens and all your hard work of patterning and knowing non-pressured habits/bedding/feeding areas and such to be out the window within 24 hours..... Kinda bs imo..... You should get at least five days with just the other tag holders before general opener....

[kirkl]

I don't think much more could be changed and it would never be liked by all or most.... What I would like changed.... One choice for every category... Meaning one choice for "quality," bull, and antlerless... That increase odds in some areas and decrease odds in others.... But this would weed out the ones who put in for all the choices and don't have a clue where to begin when they get there.... I have drawn a "quality" tag before.... I had only 3 days to hunt before general season opened up.... It was nice but I didn't feel it was quite enough to have a true "quality" hunt with the tag at hand.... 3 years later my Dad drew the same "quality" tag and had one day to hunt with 6 or 7 other tag holders out there... Not even close to a "quality" experience if you ask me.... You figure you wait long enough to draw the tag and scout like crazy when you do... To get one to 3 days to hunt before general season opens and all your hard work of patterning and knowing non-pressured habits/bedding/feeding areas and such to be out the window within 24 hours..... Kinda bs imo..... You should get at least five days with just the other tag holders before general opener....

Modern rifle you get the monday-friday with just the tag holders before general starts on a saturday.

[Kowsrule30]

Not muzzy hunters.... These tags were muzzy tags....

[bobcat]

The muzzleloader permits change each year, just due to which day October 1st falls on. This year general elk muzzleloader season will start October 6th (probably) which will give quality bull permit holders five days to hunt before the crowds show up.

Last year (2011) was a bad year to draw a muzzleloader permit because the general season and the permit season was the same day (Oct 1).

[Kowsrule30]

The muzzleloader permits change each year, just due to which day October 1st falls on. This year general elk muzzleloader season will start October 6th (probably) which will give quality bull permit holders five days to hunt before the crowds show up.

Last year (2011) was a bad year to draw a muzzleloader permit because the general season and the permit season was the same day (Oct 1).

This is exactly why I think it's total bs..... It's never been that way for any other user group... This is why I ghost pointed last year.... No way in hell am I going in to a "quality" tag hunt with one day or less to hunt before general.... My Dad didn't even think about that.... He really regrets it..... He did eventually fill the tag with a rag six that we never saw before... Not the 390" monster we scouted all summer up until the day of the opener to be chased out by spike and cow hunters..... 

[King Krok]

I have max points myself, l live on the wetside and choose to not to hunt elk, the frustrating thing for me will be when the state allows everybody that hunts elk. They won't have to choose between east or west, this is just going to add that many more people to the mix and decrease our odds at drawing. So now we can all expect to wait longer. Once I draw my quality hunt for this state I am going elsewhere.

[elksnout]

I look at this differently I guess. To me a Quality hunt is limited access by permit holders only. The east side tags get what?? A whole three days before the masses start? Not even that if you figure guys show up early setting up camp. Those tags should get a week for themselves. Hell, they earned it. Same goes for those St. Helens permits. Close and lock those damn gates and give the permit boys a key for their hunt. Too much traffic by those who do not have tags. There's no quality in those hunts. What a freakin joke. 

[benhuntin]

The muzzleloader permits change each year, just due to which day October 1st falls on. This year general elk muzzleloader season will start October 6th (probably) which will give quality bull permit holders five days to hunt before the crowds show up.

Last year (2011) was a bad year to draw a muzzleloader permit because the general season and the permit season was the same day (Oct 1).

This is exactly why I think it's total bs..... It's never been that way for any other user group... This is why I ghost pointed last year.... No way in hell am I going in to a "quality" tag hunt with one day or less to hunt before general.... My Dad didn't even think about that.... He really regrets it..... He did eventually fill the tag with a rag six that we never saw before... Not the 390" monster we scouted all summer up until the day of the opener to be chased out by spike and cow hunters..... 

My brother had the obsevatory bull tag muzzle and there were guys everywhere but we still were able to work our way threw them and it turned ok Pretty good.