Vortex Scopes

[majcl5]

I am thinking of getting the new vortex scope with the long range bdc. Has any body got one or like theres?

[scottfrick]

Dont have any of the scopes but i do have the 20x60x60 nomad spotting scope, Viper 10x42 binoculars and my wife has the Diamond back 10x42 binos. The Products are amazing and compare very closely to the higher more expensive optics. This year with our income tax we are thinking of getting a couple of these scopes. I will definentley be keeping track of where this post goes

[JPhelps]

What Model are you looking at?

I just pulled the trigger on a Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP and cant wait to try it out.

[buckfvr]

What Model are you looking at?

I just pulled the trigger on a Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP and cant wait to try it out.

DOes that one have target turrets, and if so, how many inches of vertical adjustment does it have ?

[JPhelps]

Don't want to thread Jack, but here is the info.  PM me for any other details.

It is listed at 65 MOA adjustment.  I am going to mount it on a 20MOA picatinny rail, which should allow me to use most of the travel.
Comes with Zero Stop, Illuminated reticle, accurate parralax adjustment.  I ordered the scope in a first focal plane reticle as well.  Talking with Travis Reddel (RBros Rifles), he said the tracking is very good on this scope.  This scope is one of the biggest bangs for the buck out there  (Most of Vortex Optics seem to be that way).

[majcl5]

The one i am looking at is a new one and it has 75 moa and you send in your scope and info and the make a bdc turret for your guns balistics

[mountainman]

Have 2 pst's and recently picked up the Razor HD for my .338 edge. Love it! 125 minutes of adjustment too!

[EDT]

Cant say enough good things about Vortex, I have two vipers, for me they are the best scopes in that price range available.

[Biggerhammer]

I have owned three Vipers and they all SUCKED!! Two had to go back and be worked on and one of those went back twice. The third did the same crap with complete non repeatability. In the end all were sold cheap. Not one of their scopes would track or repeat worth a damn. You could not go from 100 yard dope on the knob to 600 yard dope and back and keep the same point of impact. They SUCK if your twisting target knobs. If a guy is just mounting it, zeroing for a given yardage and holding over at distance then they would be fine but their chinsy, lame ass target knobs suck. I had the same problem with all three. Vortex would just say " We don't know what to tell you". I told them that a 16 year old Leupold with target with knobs was walking all over their Vipers ass's on the range. They told me they would take my Vipers as exchange/credit towards a PST. I told them they can keep their PST and sold all the Co-Tex crap optics and never looked back. My brother called me last week and said his Vortex was crap, I explained that was nothing new to me. Buy once cry once, I'll stick with Leupold and Nightforce for the Longrange work, thank you.

[JPhelps]

I have owned three Vipers and they all SUCKED!! Two had to go back and be worked on and one of those went back twice. The third did the same crap with complete non repeatability. In the end all were sold cheap. Not one of their scopes would track or repeat worth a damn. You could not go from 100 yard dope on the knob to 600 yard dope and back and keep the same point of impact. They SUCK if your twisting target knobs. If a guy is just mounting it, zeroing for a given yardage and holding over at distance then they would be fine but their chinsy, lame ass target knobs suck. I had the same problem with all three. Vortex would just say " We don't know what to tell you". I told them that a 16 year old Leupold with target with knobs was walking all over their Vipers ass's on the range. They told me they would take my Vipers as exchange/credit towards a PST. I told them they can keep their PST and sold all the Co-Tex crap optics and never looked back. My brother called me last week and said his Vortex was crap, I explained that was nothing new to me. Buy once cry once, I'll stick with Leupold and Nightforce for the Longrange work, thank you.

I have done a ton of research on this scope and the sightron lrmoa.  I have never heard of the vipers having trouble with dialing and every box test I have seen has tracked perfectly.  The only downfall I have heard of is optically it isn't as good of glass as others in the $1000+ range. 

I will do a full write up once I get the scope.

[Biggerhammer]

Write it up! Hell, you can borrow my brothers 6.5-20 Viper and test it. There was a big Mulie last year that I know appreciates the fact that it's target knobs are CRAP!

If one Vortex is a piece of crap and won't repeat, well then maybe.

If the the second is the same, it's a sure thing.

If the third is also, I'll bet my ass on it, then add the fact that scope number 4 ( My brothers) pulled the same chit.

It completely defines the Viper's repeatability as CHIT!


Don't forget, your a writer. It wouldn't matter how crappy it turned out. You would never in a million years write in black and white in a published article the words " Non Repeatable". I know that as well as you. Well, that's if you wanted to keep writing.
Don't sell yourself on some 100 yards box test, drive the piece of crap out there at 600yards and back to a 100 yards. Transition between the two for a total of ten. Five for each distance and post the target pics. I guarantee it will be crap!

[JPhelps]

Biggerhammer,

Here is what I have found in my research.  This is a thread with a lot of information with a review from a guy from Everett that held nothing back.  Vortex representatives also reply within the thread.  Vortex made a design change early in production based on feedback from the initial run and offered to upgrade all of the gen 1's.  They seem like a solid company and this scope seems to perform even in the eyes of testers that have $$$ scopes (Nightforce, S&B, US Optics).
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1894887&page=1

When I test the scope I will be 100% honest.  I will not put my endorsement on something that I don't feel can perform.

Also, I have to ask a question about your other vipers.  Was it that the clicks weren't 1/4 moa?  Did the scope get lost going up and down?  What model were they?  Just curious?

[BOWHUNTER45]

i have one on my sons 25-06 no complaints yet 

[CAMPMEAT]

I can't afford one.

[jackelope]

I can't afford one.

I have a Vortex Diamondback scope. It cost me $190.00
It works swell, I used it on top my Encore to kill my muley buck in 2010 with. I didn't dial any turrets though. I have since taken it off of that barrel and now have it mounted on my .22-250 barrel. Works sweet for that too. I put a Leupold on top of the .300wm barrel now.
 They're not all $1k+ FYI
They make a nice budget minded scope in that Diamondback for that $200 range. It's a great bang for the buck scope.

[CAMPMEAT]

I can't afford one.

I have a Vortex Diamondback scope. It cost me $190.00
It works swell, I used it on top my Encore to kill my muley buck in 2010 with. I didn't dial any turrets though. I have since taken it off of that barrel and now have it mounted on my .22-250 barrel. Works sweet for that too. I put a Leupold on top of the .300wm barrel now.
 They're not all $1k+ FYI
They make a nice budget minded scope in that Diamondback for that $200 range. It's a great bang for the buck scope.

I just bought a Ruger 338 Federal Hawkeye, maybe I'll put that on it instead of my Pentax. Thanks for the info Jackelope. Also, ain't seen ya in awhile !!

[Gutpile]

I looked through a vortex spotter once and was impressed but in my old age I find it more and more important to support products that are made in the USA. ............. Leupold comes to mind.

Biggerhammer makes an arguement that I do believe because every damn Nikon Ive farted around with was the same way. Get them mounted and zero'd and youll be good to go but they will not track.

Im sure youll be happy with your Vortex but at least consider an american made product. I know they are based in Milwaukee but they are made in Japan, China, and the Phillipines apparently. 

[Biggerhammer]

Biggerhammer,

Here is what I have found in my research.  This is a thread with a lot of information with a review from a guy from Everett that held nothing back.  Vortex representatives also reply within the thread.  Vortex made a design change early in production based on feedback from the initial run and offered to upgrade all of the gen 1's.  They seem like a solid company and this scope seems to perform even in the eyes of testers that have $$$ scopes (Nightforce, S&B, US Optics).
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1894887&page=1

When I test the scope I will be 100% honest.  I will not put my endorsement on something that I don't feel can perform.

Also, I have to ask a question about your other vipers.  Was it that the clicks weren't 1/4 moa?  Did the scope get lost going up and down?  What model were they?  Just curious?

Like I said in my previous post, if a guy was to zero it and leave it or use the BDC reticle. For hold over/ hold on at distance the scope performs perfect. Holds zero and is clear, adjustment while zeroing were not a issue. The issues started when I started dialing MOA for extended range shots, once I had my 100 yards zero, my speed, height of scope to bore etc all punched into my iPhones ballistic program.

I would dial my MOA( Come up) for 300 yards, fire the first round and it would be as if I never dialed up from my 100 yard zero. The first round would go in low, then the second round would go in closer or may be right on the money. I would dial back to my 100 yard zero and the same thing would happen. One to two rounds for the scope to track in.

This was a total joke, this happened with three Vipers, (2) 6.5-20x50's with 30mm tubes and (1) 6.5-20x44 with a 1" tube. I made a bunch of calls to Viper concerning this, finally when I was getting the run around where it could be the rifle or the 20moa base I was running I had enough and told them I was sending it in. I got the scope back removed the Leupold I had replaced it with, mounted the Viper right there on the range and the same thing. I zeroed  the Viper at 100 yards mounted with a Seekins one piece base and Seekins six screw rings. Lined up 18 rounds of ammo and fired them in 3 shot groups, alternating back and forth from 100 to 300 yards until I had fired a total of 9 shots at each target and it was a wreck. My 300 yard group was 7" !!

I was HOT! I then pulled the Vortex and remounted the Leupold, I then scrubbed the bore and zeroed the rifle at 100 yards. Let the barrel cool and repeated the same process with 18 rounds as I did with the Viper earlier and the groups stacked right in there. I took pictures of both groups and e-mailed them right there from my iPhone to Vortex. I called Vortex when I got home, they told me to send the scope in again, so I did. When I got the scope back. I called and asked exactly what was wrong  or what had been done, they told me there was deflection in the main tube and they had replaced my scope with a new one.

Again after mounting the scope the same issues, it was not repeatable with the target knobs. Enough was enough. I called Vortex and told them what was going on. They offered to give my credit, towards a PST. I declined and sold the scope, 6.5-20x50 Vortex On a forum for 190.00 shipped. I just wanted it gone, my brother mean time had got a smoking deal on two 6.5-20x44 Vipers from Doug at CameraLand NY on a close out sale for around 279.00 each. He gave one to me, same deal. The target knobs were not repeatable, we mounted his on a 6.5 Grendel AR, I warned him about the target knob and told him not to dial for elevation dope, to just hold over.

Got him on a Mulie at just over 400 from the prone, dead solid and he said screw it and dialed from his 100 yard zero to the correct dope for 400 and just like I had told him the first round was way low! This carbine with a Vortex the year prior had killed a Mulie clean  at just over 490 yards. He had been using a 2-7 with a BDC the year prior and had just held the correct hold over point for the distance.

He still has that scope but is going to get rid of it, hasn't shot it since. Nothing near me says Vortex on it now. I was trying to find a quality budget scope with target turrets when I tried the Vortex. My Leupolds and Night Forces come with big price tags and it would cost a fortune to set up every rifle with one.

Years ago I purchased my first Nightforce 8-32x50 NXS FOR 1100.00, now look at the price on them. Almost 2k out the door.

I have been big on Leupold my whole life but with them raising the prices on their scope as of lately, in the future I'm just going to spend a little extra and go with Nightforce.

[majcl5]

They have a new scope coming out or it already is the  Viper HS 4-16x50 LR Riflescope. They may have solved the issues? I also would love a nightforce but wow they are a ton of $$$

[JJB11B]

Biggerhammer,

Here is what I have found in my research.  This is a thread with a lot of information with a review from a guy from Everett that held nothing back.  Vortex representatives also reply within the thread.  Vortex made a design change early in production based on feedback from the initial run and offered to upgrade all of the gen 1's.  They seem like a solid company and this scope seems to perform even in the eyes of testers that have $$$ scopes (Nightforce, S&B, US Optics).
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1894887&page=1

When I test the scope I will be 100% honest.  I will not put my endorsement on something that I don't feel can perform.

Also, I have to ask a question about your other vipers.  Was it that the clicks weren't 1/4 moa?  Did the scope get lost going up and down?  What model were they?  Just curious?

Like I said in my previous post, if a guy was to zero it and leave it or use the BDC reticle. For hold over/ hold on at distance the scope performs perfect. Holds zero and is clear, adjustment while zeroing were not a issue. The issues started when I started dialing MOA for extended range shots, once I had my 100 yards zero, my speed, height of scope to bore etc all punched into my iPhones ballistic program.

I would dial my MOA( Come up) for 300 yards, fire the first round and it would be as if I never dialed up from my 100 yard zero. The first round would go in low, then the second round would go in closer or may be right on the money. I would dial back to my 100 yard zero and the same thing would happen. One to two rounds for the scope to track in.

This was a total joke, this happened with three Vipers, (2) 6.5-20x50's with 30mm tubes and (1) 6.5-20x44 with a 1" tube. I made a bunch of calls to Viper concerning this, finally when I was getting the run around where it could be the rifle or the 20moa base I was running I had enough and told them I was sending it in. I got the scope back removed the Leupold I had replaced it with, mounted the Viper right there on the range and the same thing. I zeroed  the Viper at 100 yards mounted with a Seekins one piece base and Seekins six screw rings. Lined up 18 rounds of ammo and fired them in 3 shot groups, alternating back and forth from 100 to 300 yards until I had fired a total of 9 shots at each target and it was a wreck. My 300 yard group was 7" !!

I was HOT! I then pulled the Vortex and remounted the Leupold, I then scrubbed the bore and zeroed the rifle at 100 yards. Let the barrel cool and repeated the same process with 18 rounds as I did with the Viper earlier and the groups stacked right in there. I took pictures of both groups and e-mailed them right there from my iPhone to Vortex. I called Vortex when I got home, they told me to send the scope in again, so I did. When I got the scope back. I called and asked exactly what was wrong  or what had been done, they told me there was deflection in the main tube and they had replaced my scope with a new one.

Again after mounting the scope the same issues, it was not repeatable with the target knobs. Enough was enough. I called Vortex and told them what was going on. They offered to give my credit, towards a PST. I declined and sold the scope, 6.5-20x50 Vortex On a forum for 190.00 shipped. I just wanted it gone, my brother mean time had got a smoking deal on two 6.5-20x44 Vipers from Doug at CameraLand NY on a close out sale for around 279.00 each. He gave one to me, same deal. The target knobs were not repeatable, we mounted his on a 6.5 Grendel AR, I warned him about the target knob and told him not to dial for elevation dope, to just hold over.

Got him on a Mulie at just over 400 from the prone, dead solid and he said screw it and dialed from his 100 yard zero to the correct dope for 400 and just like I had told him the first round was way low! This carbine with a Vortex the year prior had killed a Mulie clean  at just over 490 yards. He had been using a 2-7 with a BDC the year prior and had just held the correct hold over point for the distance.

He still has that scope but is going to get rid of it, hasn't shot it since. Nothing near me says Vortex on it now. I was trying to find a quality budget scope with target turrets when I tried the Vortex. My Leupolds and Night Forces come with big price tags and it would cost a fortune to set up every rifle with one.

Years ago I purchased my first Nightforce 8-32x50 NXS FOR 1100.00, now look at the price on them. Almost 2k out the door.

I have been big on Leupold my whole life but with them raising the prices on their scope as of lately, in the future I'm just going to spend a little extra and go with Nightforce.

I just got a PST 4-16x50 Its mounted and I will shoot it tomorrow. I know the PST has different turrets so I might not have that issue...we will see

[Biggerhammer]

I would be interested in seeing how the PST performed for you.

[mountainman]

Have a pst on my .308, and a Razor HS on my .338 Edge. Flawless scopes!

[mountainman]

Heres the Razor on the Edge.

[JJB11B]

Have a pst on my .308, and a Razor HS on my .338 Edge. Flawless scopes!

I would be interested in seeing how the PST performed for you.

It was too friggen cold to take pics but it took 10 rounds to get my PST on the money at 100 yds. only shot out to 300 today but the turrets functioned flawlessly