Quality bull permits

[plugger]

So what are some opinions on what can be done or not with the way the permit system is conducted. This is only for elk quality bull. This is just my opinion but no one should have to wait more than ten years to draw one. I know that there very limited and not much can be done. I think a waiting period for those fortunate enough to draw one, say 5 years to thin the pool some but also be able to put in for dummy hunts to build points. This would keep the revenue coming and weed out the ones who get drawn with less than 5 points
With all the other hunts to apply for now, everyone would still have hunts to apply for

[buglebuster]

In a state where points don't matter, nothing will help

[adamR]

I really enjoy the new permit system.  The point thing kind of sucks for some but I have been very fortunate lately.  My mother-in-law has 12 points and can't even get drawn for cow so I do understand that some get screwed, but not me personally.

[bobcat]

So a hunt that only offers 1 permit and has 2000 people apply for it every year... why should everyone who wants it be able to draw it every 10 years? It's just not possible. That's a bit of an extreme example, but it all depends on which hunts you apply for. The only way to make permits easier to draw would be to do away with general seasons and make all elk hunting by permit only. Then they could issue a lot more permits.

Having a waiting period really won't improve draw odds much, because the people that are drawn each year are only a small fraction of the number of applicants each year.

[BrushChimp]

Just FYI, after reviewing other states throughout the West, I believe Washington has one of the best point systems available. Could be like Oregon where 75% of the permits go to the highest point holders. Not good. Some Oregon residents that starting putting in now won't draw their elite tags for 20+ years. At least when you apply here you know you have a small chance even with 1 point. Those poor chaps have, statistically, a 0% chance to draw in many units for many years.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

Just FYI, after reviewing other states throughout the West, I believe Washington has one of the best point systems available. Could be like Oregon where 75% of the permits go to the highest point holders. Not good. Some Oregon residents that starting putting in now won't draw their elite tags for 20+ years. At least when you apply here you know you have a small chance even with 1 point. Those poor chaps have, statistically, a 0% chance to draw in many units for many years.

I get tired of listening to all the bellyaching, when you consider that Washington is the third smallest state in the west, with the second highest population, Elk hunters outnumber the Elk, and if we were allowed to have a system where we could have more than a snowballs chance in hell of harvesting "quality" bulls, there would be VERY limited DRAW ONLY opportunitty within the state.
If you want to hunt Elk, we have a good system, if you want to hunt "quality" Elk , then you have to pay the price.
I have been lucky enough to draw 3 times for Observatory C, average of 6 points each time, if you want to hunt "The Blues", or "Peaches Ridge", then it takes a few more...
But, your choices reflect the difficulty in drawing, there are "quality" animals in almost every unit, and if you want to put out the effort required, then sometimes having to wait years for the chance is the price you pay, but get real, if you really want a 400" Elk, you need to go to a state that has MORE ELK, and LESS ELK HUNTERS. 

[asl20bball]

I get tired of listening to all the bellyaching, when you consider that Washington is the third smallest state in the west, with the second highest population, Elk hunters outnumber the Elk, and if we were allowed to have a system where we could have more than a snowballs chance in hell of harvesting "quality" bulls, there would be VERY limited DRAW ONLY opportunitty within the state.
If you want to hunt Elk, we have a good system, if you want to hunt "quality" Elk , then you have to pay the price.
I have been lucky enough to draw 3 times for Observatory C, average of 6 points each time, if you want to hunt "The Blues", or "Peaches Ridge", then it takes a few more...
But, your choices reflect the difficulty in drawing, there are "quality" animals in almost every unit, and if you want to put out the effort required, then sometimes having to wait years for the chance is the price you pay, but get real, if you really want a 400" Elk, you need to go to a state that has MORE ELK, and LESS ELK HUNTERS. 

    well said.

[MADMAX]

I'm OK with it.
I have drawn and tagged out in the Margaret , Peaches, and Toutle twice now.

[Wenatcheejay]

So a hunt that only offers 1 permit and has 2000 people apply for it every year... why should everyone who wants it be able to draw it every 10 years? It's just not possible. That's a bit of an extreme example, but it all depends on which hunts you apply for. The only way to make permits easier to draw would be to do away with general seasons and make all elk hunting by permit only. Then they could issue a lot more permits.

Having a waiting period really won't improve draw odds much, because the people that are drawn each year are only a small fraction of the number of applicants each year.

It is not an extreme position it's a realistic one bobcat. They could offer an additional point that could be purchesed each year. Some States do that. However, how many people would complain about that as well for the same reasons if they do not draw?

[atfulldraw]

Well said sticknstringbow.

[trophyhunt]

I say get rid of the points and have a wait period for those who draw for 5 years (quality only). Then you don't have to listen to guys like me with 17 points whinning when we see guys with 2 points drawing tags that we put in for consistantly. Im done with this point system as soon as I zero out, after that I will hunt muzzy or archery in the unit I want to hunt with no more waiting for the special tag. These points have kept me from hunting my favorite west side units that are over the counter tags, I'm not complaining about that, it's my own fault for wanting a coveted blues tag. I just want an oppertunity to hunt 350+ bulls in that beautiful country before the wolves eat most of them.

[BULLBLASTER]

If you exclude people who have drawn in the last 5 years in the blues you maybe taking 100 people out of.the pool. For a unit with 20 tags. When 2000 people apply for those tags the 100 won't make much difference in odds.

[jackmaster]

So a hunt that only offers 1 permit and has 2000 people apply for it every year... why should everyone who wants it be able to draw it every 10 years? It's just not possible. That's a bit of an extreme example, but it all depends on which hunts you apply for. The only way to make permits easier to draw would be to do away with general seasons and make all elk hunting by permit only. Then they could issue a lot more permits.

Having a waiting period really won't improve draw odds much, because the people that are drawn each year are only a small fraction of the number of applicants each year.

[Woodchuck]

 

[Huntbear]

Uhhhhhh Jim?  That poor horse is dead.. quit abusing the corpse..