What is the best .223 for tactical minded home owners

[CementFinisher]

www.jprifles.com    if your willing to spend the money.

How do you like your JP gun?

 i have A jp upper, love the fit and finnish and side charging handle ( non reciprocating). all on a chrales daily t6 aluminum lower magpul ctr stock and other odd and end gadgets.

[rasbo]

Full auto sucks. It's only good for keeping heads down. Watch someone who doesn't shoot full auto a ton try and get a 3 round burst in one man sized target at 50 meters. Even with .223 its a pain. With a tricep strap and some practice I can get all three in one target. One in the left hip, one center massish, and one in the right shoulder.

Rasbo, just goad FALfire into building you one with the pieces you want. Bet him 3 cases of beer that he can't do it and see what he does with all the pieces 

[CementFinisher]

man Im seeing some really cool guns,Im figuring 1500 to 1800 on a gun  cement put up a link that has some in my price range,of course then I need some 30 round clips{dependable} and good ammo...looking at these guns is almost as good as sex

Go with the magpul p mag magazines, the troy battle mag isnt bad either

[FALFire]

Try out Surplusammo.com you might find something there that will fit.


http://www.surplusammo.com/complete-uppers/

[Special T]

The BEST flash hider made is the BE meyers one. http://www.bemeyers.com/index.php?option=com_product&catid=26&id=35&Itemid=53

Best of all its made here in this state!

[CementFinisher]

You cant build a jp gun. Plain and simple. They are not a straight up ar. It is based on the ar plat form but leaveft it back in the dust.   Or go the route i have most done with the black rifles and just build your own to what you want. As far as uppers and lowers dont get caught up in the name or the forged vs milled, go cheap and mill spec so everything will fit properly and so you cant attatch all the doo dads, spend your money on the enternals, trigger, nickle boron parts ie bolt and carrier group, chrom lined barrel ( from white oak), a quality stock with good lock up, maybe adjustable cheek riser to accomodate optic.

[FALFire]

Have you ever shot a AR with no flash hider at night. big difference! for around the house id be looking at as compact as possible. I like the smith & Wesson M&P's allot. Shot a number of them and they were awesome. Again brands are not a big deal, every manufacturer makes good and bad products and everone one of them can have failures. Don't get hung up on mil spec, its doest mean its better, unless you plan to add aftermarket thing to your rifle. I happen to be one of those that don't like Rock Rivers, those that i have owned or shot have left a lack luster imprecision on me.

Are you asking me if I have ever shot an AR at night without a FH.

Ohhhhhh, only for about 10 years, and in shooting houses using only a flashlight for total darkness scenarios. The noise is worse than the flash. If you use mil- surplus ammo then a FH is advised but commercial ammo in LEO offerings work way better if you don not have a flash suppressor. It's not like the average home owner will get into a hour long gun battle with bad guys  at midnight so it's really a moot point.

I agree, mil-spec is not better, it's just that most stuff is built on mil-spec standard but certainly not the cats azz by any means. I have no problem using commercial sized parts as long as everything works without fail. Test your chit before using it or needing it, and I mean like 500 rounds minimum.

P-Mags are   

[Special T]

Check this link out se see a REAL flash suppressor work on a  HK146

Normal FS don't compare. I have seen these bad boys in person. When i get my AR its gona be the 1st acessory. 

[rasbo]

Check this link out se see a REAL flash suppressor work on a  HK146

Normal FS don't compare. I have seen these bad boys in person. When i get my AR its gona be the 1st acessory. 

wow the 249f rocks

[FC]

I know you didn't ask about it Rasbo but for a zombie killin' machine you might want to look at an AK. Talk about a short, easy to handle, RELIABLE and reasonably accurate rifle!

[FALFire]

You cant build a jp gun. Plain and simple. They are not a straight up ar. It is based on the ar plat form but leaveft it back in the dust.   Or go the route i have most done with the black rifles and just build your own to what you want. As far as uppers and lowers dont get caught up in the name or the forged vs milled, go cheap and mill spec so everything will fit properly and so you cant attatch all the doo dads, spend your money on the enternals, trigger, nickle boron parts ie bolt and carrier group, chrom lined barrel ( from white oak), a quality stock with good lock up, maybe adjustable cheek riser to accomodate optic.

Okay.............I have a JP gun that was built for me by John Paul for my patrol application, it is not any better than my Colt, nor is it any better than my DPMS's. It don't shoot any straighter, no faster, it don't run any cleaner, but it did cost a bunch more. So your cup don't hold juice. I've run lots of AR's over many years during my LEO career and working the range almost daily for a couple of years I got to see what worked. JP builds a nice gun no doubt, but for a price, and for the price, he can get a lot of ammo to go with his purchase for the same cost involved in a JP gun. I've put 10's of thousands of rounds thru AR's over a bunch of years and found that the only ones that don't work very well are the ones that people screw with trying to improve this or that.  The heart of the AR is the barrel and trigger for accuracy, smooth running quality parts that go forth and aft and learn to use it, you will be just as effective in a simplified scenario as the next guy. Now if you are talking about a high dollar 3 gun event that will place you in the top 3 Nationwide, then you will want to look at some options, otherwise keep it simple, use what works and enjoy your new toy. I build most all of my guns and I don't have a problems with them failing other than a problematic mag that I threw away a few years ago. Now I run P-Mags, don't seem to have issues these days.

[FALFire]

Yep.....got to agree that new flash suppressor is impressive.

[JimmyHoffa]

If you're all set on .223 I would look at the FN FS2000.  compact bull pup, easy to accessorize, has a switch up forward to adjust the gas system.  With bull pups (think leverage) you are holding closer to the muzzle so easier to train and control muzzle flip.
Another .223 I really like is the SteyrAug556.  Only thing I don't seem to like about it is with hot reloads, sometimes powder from the muzzle blast starts hitting my hand.

[jeepasaurusrex]

This is what  you need. 

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[Bofire]

  I'd go with a 12 guage pump gun or let Falfire build ya one. Wanna build me one too Gary?? Light, skinny barrrel, great trigger, 20 inch barrel, A2 stock for me, flat top. what do ya say?? How about Aero lowers?  
Did I sday I love being retired??
  Carl