SINGLED OUT and tired of paying for fees

[adictd2hunting]

Discover pass   

I was on the northwest wheelers board and no one likes the idea there either.  Most of people on that board refuse to buy one. 

Do away with the discover pass.  We already have to pay out the a*$ to do the things we enjoy.  If they are going to single us out and make us pay even more.   Then they should do it to other hobbyist's too.

Why don't they make the bicyclist that use the same roads we drive on have tabs or a on road permit for their bikes. Hit the city people back like they do all of us. The people pushing this issue are not the people that even use the land.  So I say they should make the bicyclist pay for riding permits.  I wonder how far a bill like that would go.  Probably not very far. 

That's my idea whats yours?

If its going to be us that gets hit with another fee and singled out.  Then I think we should come up with some more ideas that they could put fees on in city.

Lets see how many crazy ideas we can come up with !!!!!!!

[wraithen]

Put turnstyles at crosswalks. 25 cents per use. Jaywalking fines minimum 100 bucks strictly enforced

[lokidog]

I fully agree with the bike license thing.  They keep spending money putting in bike lanes and other bike crap yet these people contribute nothing to pay for the improvements that benefit them.  When I was a kid, the town I grew up near required bicycle licenses and this was 30+ years ago.

[sebek556]

  make them have bike plates, if your older than say 18? then you have to have plates and tabs just like a car

[bobcat]

Why would they charge fees for bicycles? They want to encourage the use of bicycles, not discourage it.

[sebek556]

cause I am tired of paying the way for them, where do you think all the money for the bike lanes is coming from?

[Kowsrule30]

Public toilets..... $.15 a sheet.....           Could make a killing..... 

But I do like the bike fee idea... They "share" the roads and are in my way most the time because they think they own them..... What is so *censored*ing hard about getting over to the shoulder when you can't go 35 mph up a hill..... Yet you can't give enough room for cars/trucks to pass you..... My mirror doesn't care who you are....    

[bobcat]

cause I am tired of paying the way for them, where do you think all the money for the bike lanes is coming from?

I'd guess that most people that ride bicycles also drive a car at times and pay the same fees as everyone else.

[adictd2hunting]

cause I am tired of paying the way for them, where do you think all the money for the bike lanes is coming from?

I'd guess that most people that ride bicycles also drive a car at times and pay the same fees as everyone else.

And its the same thing we pay for are car or trucks that we drive to the woods.  But we still have to pay another fee to go to DNR land.  Dont see your point there.

[adictd2hunting]

Fine lets make the bicyclist buy a discover pass for riding.  Then its even right?

[bobcat]

cause I am tired of paying the way for them, where do you think all the money for the bike lanes is coming from?

I'd guess that most people that ride bicycles also drive a car at times and pay the same fees as everyone else.

And its the same thing we pay for are car or trucks that we drive to the woods.  But we still have to pay another fee to go to DNR land.  Dont see your point there.

The point is, that in order to encourage modes of transportation that do not burn up fossil fuels and pollute our air, they are not going to make it more expensive for people to do so. If you want to charge people for riding a bicycle do you also want to charge people for walking on the sidewalks?

[adictd2hunting]

cause I am tired of paying the way for them, where do you think all the money for the bike lanes is coming from?

I'd guess that most people that ride bicycles also drive a car at times and pay the same fees as everyone else.

And its the same thing we pay for are car or trucks that we drive to the woods.  But we still have to pay another fee to go to DNR land.  Dont see your point there.

The point is, that in order to encourage modes of transportation that do not burn up fossil fuels and pollute our air, they are not going to make it more expensive for people to do so. If you want to charge people for riding a bicycle do you also want to charge people for walking on the sidewalks?

How about the GO PLAY OUTSIDE moto the wdfw has put in their game regs.  But then they charge us even more for curtain areas.

[lokidog]

Every OTHER vehicle that uses the public roadways has to be licensed, I don't see why there should be any difference for bicycle riders.

I'd guess that most people that ride bicycles also drive a car at times and pay the same fees as everyone else.

I mostly drive my truck that I have licensed, so I shouldn't have to license my motorcycle for the few times I drive it right?   

[bobcat]

Every OTHER vehicle that uses the public roadways has to be licensed, I don't see why there should be any difference for bicycle riders.

I'd guess that most people that ride bicycles also drive a car at times and pay the same fees as everyone else.

I mostly drive my truck that I have licensed, so I shouldn't have to license my motorcycle for the few times I drive it right?   

I've already stated the reason. They don't burn up fossil fuels and they don't pollute. You don't make it more expensive for people to do something that benefits us all.

[lokidog]

I am all for less use of fossil fuels and helping out the earth.  The problem is that these users also cost our society money for the improvements that benefit them.  They should have to contribute to cover those costs as well.  My fossil fuel burning vehicle uses gas, not only do I pay for my registration/license, I also pay a crap load in gas taxes.

I am also for the Discover Pass and the WDFW "Use" fees for people that are otherwise (hunting and fishing license purchasers) not supporting the resources and infrastructure that they are enjoying and using.

 

[sebek556]

bikes dont burn fossil fuels but they still use rubber, still need roads and bike lanes. We pay millions of dollars for them to pedal around, without paying a F'n dime. We pay for the roads and bike lanes for them through car tabs and taxes on gas.  I think its time they either pay up also or walk cause atleast when they walk they are off the road a car or truck paid for.

[runamuk]

Every OTHER vehicle that uses the public roadways has to be licensed, I don't see why there should be any difference for bicycle riders.

I'd guess that most people that ride bicycles also drive a car at times and pay the same fees as everyone else.

I mostly drive my truck that I have licensed, so I shouldn't have to license my motorcycle for the few times I drive it right?   

I've already stated the reason. They don't burn up fossil fuels and they don't pollute. You don't make it more expensive for people to do something that benefits us all.

then with this line of thought any vehicle that runs off clean fuels also shouldnt be taxed licensed or registered  you all do realize the technology to have a car run on water or compressed air or many non fossil fuel alternatives have been around and buried since the 70's.....so there could be lots of vehicles that dont use fossil fuels if we really wanted them...not just bicycles

[Atroxus]

I can't believe that there are people actually advocating MORE taxes/fees for the government rather than trying to get rid of the ones we have now. Apparently some people think ridiculous taxes/fees are perfectly fine, as long as it is someone else paying them.

[Hunterman]

This is "The Land of the Free" as long as you pay out the butt for it 

Just a case in point..I drive my truck( that I pay for raods with), I drive my wifes Jeep(that I pay for raods with)I tow my boat on a trailer(that I pay for roads with), haven't I paid enough for the roads so I can ride my bike on if I want to??

Hunterman(Tony)

[pianoman9701]

I can't believe that there are people actually advocating MORE taxes/fees for the government rather than trying to get rid of the ones we have now. Apparently some people think ridiculous taxes/fees are perfectly fine, as long as it is someone else paying them.

It's OK if it's to increase fees and taxes for the other guy. 

This thread got jacked wicked! It started out about the Discover Pass and became a rant about bicycles and their evildoer riders.

Like Bobcat pointed out, most people who ride bikes do have cars and pay for the roads and improvements, like anyone else in the state. I would argue that having bike lanes helps drivers to avoid killing a bicyclist. This keeps down our insurance, emergency vehicle and services use, and saves lives. Are some bicyclists real jerks when they're on their bikes? Sure. Are some motorists? All the time. Road rage, anyone?

As far as the Discover Pass is concerned, the state needs more revenue to continue running parks and caring for natural resources. Everything's more expensive. If you want to play, you've got to pay. Harsh reality time, folks. It's the law. Pay $30 now or pay $99 tomorrow. How much you pay is all in the choice you make. If you want to get mad about it, no problem. You're going to be mad a lot.

[wraithen]

Most of these things are not i fact more expensive. They are generally cheaper or the same price when inflation is considered. The issue is that while the state asks for more every year than inflation could cause, they also spend more money for their pet projects. Curtail handout programs and bump up the necessary things like hiring more police and many of these users that abuse the system will leave or start getting busted because they turned into criminals so they wouldn't have to work for something.

[Special T]

REMEMBER, this is about taking $$$ from one group to support another! $3 for each WDFW and DNR is NOTHING! this is for the WA parks... My mother buys one.. She has fond memories of going to the park when young, and loves to take my daughter. I personally don't like going, so i won't buy one... If there was an even split, i probably would buy one, but that would defeat the whole purpose of it... RAISE $$$ FOR PARKS!

[Dhoey07]

Every OTHER vehicle that uses the public roadways has to be licensed, I don't see why there should be any difference for bicycle riders.

I'd guess that most people that ride bicycles also drive a car at times and pay the same fees as everyone else.

I mostly drive my truck that I have licensed, so I shouldn't have to license my motorcycle for the few times I drive it right?   

I've already stated the reason. They don't burn up fossil fuels and they don't pollute. You don't make it more expensive for people to do something that benefits us all.

Riding bikes on roads doesn't benefit us as much as it costs us. Sure we have less fossil fuels, but the cost to add bike lanes is more than you might think. As well as making roads more dangerous.

[JimmyHoffa]

Not to mention traffic congestion due to bikes.  Sure have your hobby, but when it is recreation not commuting I can get irritated by it.  A few examples, in spring/summer they will have bike races around parts of the peninsula...you are sol if you get stuck behind the bike pack--a 5 minute drive is now 30.  Or for kitsap, the greenie bikers from seattle like to take scenic rides and will get on the ferry to Bainbridge island then ride to poulsbo on up to kingston taking the other ferry to edmonds--going 20 mph (if lucky) in a 40-45 mph zone with no shoulders.

[Encore 280]

A person buys one of those electric cars in order to save on gas and help the environment. Seem's like I read someplace where the government is gonna make those people pay some kinda fee for owning an electric car now!! What's with that?!! A person can't do anything now days without having to pay out the a$$ for it.

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

Wont be long the FEDS will charge us for each molecule of oxygen breathed on our lands!

[Encore 280]

Seems like a catch 22! They encourage people to conserve but when ya do, they stick it to ya! WTF? Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else but I guess I just have to jump on the band wagon and bitch like everyone else. They got us by the balz.

[duckmen1]

"Fine lets make the bicyclist buy a discover pass for riding.  Then its even right?"

sounds good to me

[sakoshooter]

cause I am tired of paying the way for them, where do you think all the money for the bike lanes is coming from?

I'd guess that most people that ride bicycles also drive a car at times and pay the same fees as everyone else.

And its the same thing we pay for are car or trucks that we drive to the woods.  But we still have to pay another fee to go to DNR land.  Dont see your point there.

We had to have a license for our bikes when I was young. With all the tax revenue being spent on bicycle lanes, I'd be in favor of a bike license as long as the money went toward bike lanes and their enforcement.
If all user groups paid their appropriete fees, we hunters/fishermen would get a rebate!!!

[JLS]

I can't believe that there are people actually advocating MORE taxes/fees for the government rather than trying to get rid of the ones we have now. Apparently some people think ridiculous taxes/fees are perfectly fine, as long as it is someone else paying them.

It's OK if it's to increase fees and taxes for the other guy. 

This thread got jacked wicked! It started out about the Discover Pass and became a rant about bicycles and their evildoer riders.

Like Bobcat pointed out, most people who ride bikes do have cars and pay for the roads and improvements, like anyone else in the state. I would argue that having bike lanes helps drivers to avoid killing a bicyclist. This keeps down our insurance, emergency vehicle and services use, and saves lives. Are some bicyclists real jerks when they're on their bikes? Sure. Are some motorists? All the time. Road rage, anyone?

As far as the Discover Pass is concerned, the state needs more revenue to continue running parks and caring for natural resources. Everything's more expensive. If you want to play, you've got to pay. Harsh reality time, folks. It's the law. Pay $30 now or pay $99 tomorrow. How much you pay is all in the choice you make. If you want to get mad about it, no problem. You're going to be mad a lot.

Well stated pianoman.

[iusmc2002]

I can't believe that there are people actually advocating MORE taxes/fees for the government rather than trying to get rid of the ones we have now. Apparently some people think ridiculous taxes/fees are perfectly fine, as long as it is someone else paying them.

Amen.  More taxes/fees is more taxes/fees, however you look at it, however they want to dress it up.  But I guess that since it's "harsh reality" and "the law"  (even though taxation is specifically prohibited in the Constitution), we should just roll over and take it because the state can't spend the money we ALREADY give them, wisely. 

Me: "Hey boss, I spent all the money you gave me from my last paycheck, I need you to give me some more so I can sustain my unsustainable lifestyle"
Boss: "GTFO"

[CAMPMEAT]

bikes dont burn fossil fuels but they still use rubber, still need roads and bike lanes. We pay millions of dollars for them to pedal around, without paying a F'n dime. We pay for the roads and bike lanes for them through car tabs and taxes on gas.  I think its time they either pay up also or walk cause atleast when they walk they are off the road a car or truck paid for.

My thoughts exactly. Plus, bicycle riders are the rudest, most arrogant people. They have a bicycle rally here and those POS won't get out of the way. They take up half the lanes so cars can't get around them. They are to busy talking to each other thinking of ways to screwup our fun. I say, Run 'em over, if it was legal, if they don't obey the laws. I hate bicyclists with a passion.

[netcoyote]

We had to have a license for our bikes when I was young. With all the tax revenue being spent on bicycle lanes, I'd be in favor of a bike license as long as the money went toward bike lanes and their enforcement.

Obviously having tabs on bicycles is nothing new. While we're at it, they should have to "buy" new plates every couple of years like cars and trucks.

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[Slenk]

A person buys one of those electric cars in order to save on gas and help the environment. Seem's like I read someplace where the government is gonna make those people pay some kinda fee for owning an electric car now!! What's with that?!! A person can't do anything now days without having to pay out the a$$ for it.

Yakima Hearold has an article today . looks like $100 per year extra fee for electric cars that don't burn any gas. Those that don't go over 35mph are exempt.

[Slenk]

Just found out that I am elegable for a free discover pass.
Over 65 retired and don't make near $35,000.
Damn it I just bought one last week $35.00

[CAMPMEAT]

Just found out that I am elegable for a free discover pass.
Over 65 retired and don't make near $35,000.
Damn it I just bought one last week $35.00

Too bad ya can't transfer the thing..........typical gubmint.

[pianoman9701]

Just found out that I am elegable for a free discover pass.
Over 65 retired and don't make near $35,000.
Damn it I just bought one last week $35.00

You might be able to get a refund if you send in a copy of your discovery pass. It's worth the 44 cent stamp to find out.

[Brownarola]

This all started when we nixed the absorbent car tabs. Since that time law makers have been thinking of ways of working around this this little speed bump. Don't be surprised when they try and install a GPS on every vehicle to track the mileage and bill you x number of cents per mile. Better yet watch out when they will start making mandatory yearly car inspections where they right down youur vehicle mileage and bill you for both the inspection and the mileage you drive.

I am also for the Discover Pass and the WDFW "Use" fees for people that are otherwise (hunting and fishing license purchasers) not supporting the resources and infrastructure that they are enjoying and using.

I think you have a typo there. I agree non sportsman should pay for a WDFW use fee but sportsman should not have to buy a Discover pass. There is a little thing called the Pittman Robertson Act that levies a Federal Excise tax against firearms, ammunition, and sporting goods. This tax goes into a fund that is then later redistributed to the states to pay for wildlife habitat restoration, hunter education, and conservation projects. It's actually we the sportsman promoting conservation and restoring habitat and we are the ones paying to support the infrastructure and resources.

On the same token, I don't think its correct to force people to pay for a parking permit on federal forest lands. This land is owned by the citizens of the United States and why should you have to pay for parking on lands owned by US Citizens? It does not make sense.

[Special T]

Discover pass is state lands not federal forests. 

[lokidog]

This all started when we nixed the absorbent car tabs. Since that time law makers have been thinking of ways of working around this this little speed bump. Don't be surprised when they try and install a GPS on every vehicle to track the mileage and bill you x number of cents per mile. Better yet watch out when they will start making mandatory yearly car inspections where they right down youur vehicle mileage and bill you for both the inspection and the mileage you drive.

I am also for the Discover Pass and the WDFW "Use" fees for people that are otherwise (hunting and fishing license purchasers) not supporting the resources and infrastructure that they are enjoying and using.

I think you have a typo there. I agree non sportsman should pay for a WDFW use fee but sportsman should not have to buy a Discover pass. There is a little thing called the Pittman Robertson Act that levies a Federal Excise tax against firearms, ammunition, and sporting goods. This tax goes into a fund that is then later redistributed to the states to pay for wildlife habitat restoration, hunter education, and conservation projects. It's actually we the sportsman promoting conservation and restoring habitat and we are the ones paying to support the infrastructure and resources.

On the same token, I don't think its correct to force people to pay for a parking permit on federal forest lands. This land is owned by the citizens of the United States and why should you have to pay for parking on lands owned by US Citizens? It does not make sense.

No typo there Brown, I support fees for people that do not purchase a hunting or fishing license.  I've been paying into Pittman - Robertson for  about forty years....

[Wildsau]

The bottom line is, if you utilize a recreation area, state or Fed, you should have to pay something for the upkeep.

The "normal" taxes won't pay enough to keep the areas in good repair and neat, like we like to see them.  If EVERYONE would do their part and live by the rule, "if you brought it in, you take it out when you go, and leave the area as good or better than you found it", there would not be such a high price for the upkeep.  Someone has to clean up after the 'pigs' who mess up the areas and vandalize them, and, like I said, the 'normal' taxes are not enough.  The maintenance materials need to be paid for from somewhere.  Either that or close the rec. areas down.

[Special T]

Ahhh But there is the RUB Wildsau.. The $$$ WE put in goes to the PARKS not the area we use the most... This is a strong arm tactic to get one group, hunters, to pay for another goup (park users) services. FACT hunters pay to hunt and for access, and do it regularly. FACT Parks users that use the daily use are not willing to pay, evidence is past parking fee attempt. The state needs to make some decisions and get to it...

[Brownarola]

No typo there Brown, I support fees for people that do not purchase a hunting or fishing license.  I've been paying into Pittman - Robertson for  about forty years...

Couldn't agree with you more. What I find annoying is when you pull into a WDFW access point to do some fishing and someone is parked right where you want to fish, throwing the tennis ball for the dog with no access decal on their vehicle.