2012 Jeep wrangler thoughts

[deerslyr]

Its not a Jeep if it has IFS. It becomes another POS car if it had IFS. Jeeps have solid axles. If it rides too rough (which they don't) then buy a minivan. Offroad, a solid front will perform much better and they last way longer. They are also easier to service. If you plan on lifting a rig, solid axle lifts are WAY cheaper.

couldnt have said it better.

[Alchase]

I want to see the wrangler with a diesel engine just like the ones in england and australia in the us. great mileage and lots of torque. Why cant we have that on the scrambler type body?

I would love a "New CJ8 Scramler" !!!

 

  I think I just fell in love, lol

[gasman]

Hey Jackalope, whats your opion on the Jeep Patriot and Liberty. We are going to look for a new vehicle for her soon and she likes the Patriot and Liberty.

Sorry, dont meat to thread jack 

Anyone else have any experience with either one 

[Hunterman]

Hey Gasman,, Becky has a Compass and loves it..

Hunterman(Tony)

[gasman]

Hey Gasman,, Becky has a Compass and loves it..

Hunterman(Tony)

Hows it been mechanically 

[jackelope]

Hey Jackalope, whats your opion on the Jeep Patriot and Liberty. We are going to look for a new vehicle for her soon and she likes the Patriot and Liberty.

Sorry, dont meat to thread jack 

Anyone else have any experience with either one 

They both seem to be pretty decent. Both kinda small, the Liberty is definitely the nicer of the 2. What year are you looking at? New?
Very few problems with either of them really. I'd stay away from the diesel Liberty. The new current body style Liberty is a lot nicer than the old one for sure. '08 and newer. Patriot is a real trouble free vehicle. They're inexpensive and I think it shows unless you get the more loaded ones. If you want something with a more "real" 4x4 system, go with the Patriot and not the Compass. My vote is for the Liberty either way. Theye verydifferent rigs though too...Patriot is very small.

[gasman]

Hey Jackalope, whats your opion on the Jeep Patriot and Liberty. We are going to look for a new vehicle for her soon and she likes the Patriot and Liberty.

Sorry, dont meat to thread jack 

Anyone else have any experience with either one 

They both seem to be pretty decent. Both kinda small, the Liberty is definitely the nicer of the 2. What year are you looking at? New?
Very few problems with either of them really. I'd stay away from the diesel Liberty. The new current body style Liberty is a lot nicer than the old one for sure. '08 and newer. Patriot is a real trouble free vehicle. They're inexpensive and I think it shows unless you get the more loaded ones. If you want something with a more "real" 4x4 system, go with the Patriot and not the Compass. My vote is for the Liberty either way. Theye verydifferent rigs though too...Patriot is very small.

Why the Liberty?

[jackelope]

For me, simply  because it's bigger and it's a much nicer ride. Also a more capable 4x4 vehicle, although neither would be too good off road.

[bobcat]

Hey Jackalope, whats your opion on the Jeep Patriot and Liberty. We are going to look for a new vehicle for her soon and she likes the Patriot and Liberty.

Sorry, dont meat to thread jack 

Anyone else have any experience with either one 

Get her a Subaru Outback.   

[Special T]

jackalope  What are the big problems with the Diesel motors for the liberties? There are lots of diesel 4bangers in productions around the world, what makes it so hard to get them here? I would have to say the only real good Diesel motors we have here in the states are the  VW Jetta ones,

[RoyBoy]

the jeep brutes have a really good/mean looking body stance with some nice offset tires/wheels 

[MikeWalking]

Hey Jackalope, whats your opion on the Jeep Patriot and Liberty. We are going to look for a new vehicle for her soon and she likes the Patriot and Liberty.

Sorry, dont meat to thread jack 

Anyone else have any experience with either one 

Get her a Subaru Outback.   

We have a couple Patriots in our fleet of patrol vehicles.  Hated.  Always in the shop.   I don't have a lot of contact with the drivers using them, they work out of a remote office but I hear nothing but cussing about them.

[jackelope]

jackalope  What are the big problems with the Diesel motors for the liberties? There are lots of diesel 4bangers in productions around the world, what makes it so hard to get them here? I would have to say the only real good Diesel motors we have here in the states are the  VW Jetta ones,

The engines themselves don't have many problems...the EGR valves crap out all the time, big money, and the glow plugs crap out all the time. If you own one, you can almost bank on replacing an EGR valve it seems. I don't know exactly why we don't have more diesels here...emissions is definitely one of the challenges.

Mike-
The patriots are definitely not a heavy duty vehicle. I suspect with the kind of driving you guys are doing, they're not set up to handle that. I picture a lot of stop and go, low speed short trip driving, and thats not easy on a vehicle.   We sell quite  a few of them and don't see too many in service much. Once in a while for squeaks and rattles. I replaced a transmission in a Compass the other week and we're putting a trans in a Patriot right now, but thats that CVT transmission and we're still restricted on repairing them. Chrysler makes us replace them if it's anything internal at all. We do not take them apart ever if it's deeper than a valve body.

[jeepasaurusrex]

Real Jeeps have solid front axles and round headlights.  O.||||||.O

[jackelope]

Real Jeeps have solid front axles and round headlights.  O.||||||.O

YJ's and XJ's are not real Jeeps?

Square headlights...