22mag or 17hmr

[BOWHUNTER45]

sounds like the 22 mag ..wins .... 

[Biggerhammer]

sounds like the 22 mag ..wins .... 

       .17 HMR      .22 Mag

[trippledigitss]

sounds like the 22 mag ..wins .... 

       .17 HMR      .22 Mag

    

[longrangekiller]

i like the 22 short better then both ballistic wise its way better lol hahaha

[jaymark6655]

Some more interesting ballistics between the 17hmr 20gr HP and 22WMR 30gr V-max

17HMR

Input Data
Ballistic Coefficient:    0.125 G1    Caliber:    0.170 in
Bullet Weight:    20.0 gr       
Muzzle Velocity:   2550.0 ft/s      
Sight Height:   1.50 in   Line Of Sight Angle:   0.0 deg
Cant Angle:   0.0 deg      
Wind Speed:   20.0 mph   Target Speed:   20.0 mph
Temperature:   59.0 °F   Pressure:   29.92 in Hg
Humidity:   60.0 %   Altitude:   2000.0 ft
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude:   No   Pressure is Corrected:   Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range:   No   Target Relative Drops:   Yes
Column 1 Units:   1.00 in   Column 2 Units:   1.00 MOA
Round Output to Whole Numbers:   No      
Output Data
Elevation:   4.507 MOA   Windage:   0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density:   0.07081 lb/ft³   Speed of Sound:   1116.5 ft/s
Maximum PBR:   244 yd   Maximum PBR Zero:   212 yd
Range of Maximum Height:   124 yd   Energy at Maximum PBR:   70.1 ft•lbs
Sectional Density:   0.099 lb/in²
      
Calculated Table
Range   Drop          Drop     Windage     Windage     Velocity   Mach        Energy       Time   Lead     Lead
(yd)           (in)          (MOA)      (in)               (MOA)   (   ft/s)   (none)    (ft•lbs)      (s)     (in)    (MOA)
0            -1.5          ***       0.0        ***     2550.0    2.284    288.7    0.000    0.0      ***
25            -0.5           -1.9      0.3         1.3     2387.7    2.139    253.1    0.030    10.7       40.9
50              0.1       0.2       1.4         2.7     2231.4    1.999    221.1    0.063    22.1       42.3
75             0.3            0.4       3.3         4.2     2080.8    1.864    192.2    0.098    34.4       43.8
100            -0.0          -0.0       6.1         5.9     1936.3    1.734    166.5    0.135    47.5       45.4
125            -0.9          -0.7       9.9         7.6     1798.3    1.611    143.6    0.175    61.7       47.1
150            -2.5          -1.6       14.8         9.4     1667.4    1.493    123.4    0.219    76.9       49.0
175            -4.8          -2.6       20.9         11.4     1544.5    1.383    105.9    0.265    93.4       51.0
200            -8.1          -3.9       28.3         13.5     1430.7    1.281    90.9      0.316    111.     53.1
225            -12.4      -5.3       37.2         15.8     1327.4    1.189    78.2         0.370    130.3    55.3
250            -18.0      -6.9       47.4         18.1     1236.0    1.107    67.8      0.429    151.0    57.7
275            -25.0      -8.7       59.2         20.5     1158.0    1.037    59.5         0.492    173.0    60.1
300            -33.6      -10.7       72.3         23.0     1094.2    0.980    53.2         0.558    196.5    62.6

22WMR

Input Data
Ballistic Coefficient:    0.095 G1    Caliber:    0.220 in
Bullet Weight:    30.0 gr       
Muzzle Velocity:   2200.0 ft/s      
Sight Height:   1.50 in   Line Of Sight Angle:   0.0 deg
Cant Angle:   0.0 deg      
Wind Speed:   20.0 mph   Target Speed:   20.0 mph
Temperature:   59.0 °F   Pressure:   29.92 in Hg
Humidity:   60.0 %   Altitude:   2000.0 ft
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude:   No   Pressure is Corrected:   Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range:   No   Target Relative Drops:   Yes
Column 1 Units:   1.00 in   Column 2 Units:   1.00 MOA
Round Output to Whole Numbers:   No      
Output Data
Elevation:   5.921 MOA   Windage:   0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density:   0.07081 lb/ft³   Speed of Sound:   1116.5 ft/s
Maximum PBR:   200 yd   Maximum PBR Zero:   174 yd
Range of Maximum Height:   103 yd   Energy at Maximum PBR:   74.2 ft•lbs
Sectional Density:   0.089 lb/in²      
Calculated Table
Range   Drop        Drop        Windage        Windage        Velocity        Mach        Energy        Time        Lead     Lead
(yd)           (in)       (MOA)           (in)                 (MOA)                  (ft/s)       (none)        (ft•lbs)          (s)         (in)    (MOA)
0           -1.5         ***            0.0                   ***                 2200.0      1.971          322.4         0.000           0.0       ***
25           -0.2         -0.7            0.6                   2.2                 2004.7      1.796          267.7         0.036           12.6       48.0
50            0.6          1.1            2.4                   4.6                 1820.3      1.630          220.7         0.075           26.4       50.4
75            0.7          0.9            5.6                   7.2                 1648.0      1.476          180.9         0.118           41.6       53.0
100           -0.0         -0.0            10.5                   10.0                 1489.9      1.335          147.8         0.166           58.5       55.9
125           -1.7         -1.3            17.1                   13.1                 1348.7      1.208          121.1         0.219           77.1       58.9
150           -4.5         -2.9            25.7                   16.3                 1227.5      1.099          100.4         0.277           97.7       62.2
175           -8.9         -4.8            36.1                   19.7                 1129.8      1.012          85.0         0.341           120.1    65.5
200           -14.9         -7.1            48.3                   23.1                 1055.3      0.945          74.2         0.410           144.3    68.9
225           -22.8         -9.7            62.1                   26.4                 998.1         0.894          66.4         0.483           170.1    72.2
250           -33.0         -12.6            77.2                   29.5                 951.8         0.853          60.3         0.560           197.2    75.3
275           -45.5         -15.8            93.5                   32.5                 912.3         0.817          55.4         0.641           225.5    78.3
300           -60.7         -19.3            111.1           35.4                 877.5         0.786          51.3         0.725           255.1    81.2

It looks like the 17 ballistics are better.  I resisted buying one, but I could not find one in .22Mag so I bought the Marlin 917V, I don't notice any real difference between that and the Marlin .22Mag I use to own, except that the .17 rounds seem to cycle better.  The .22 seemed to hang up sometimes.  As far as cost it is cheaper per round to shoot .233 reloads, but the rifle cost 5x as much.

[Special T]

That is why i have bought neither... I keep thinking that if I buy a 17hmr, it needs a good scope... and for that price i would rather buy and AR... And if i buy and AR i'd want a really nice scope.... So basically i don't buy a $2k set up AR because a $300 17 HMR isn't quite good enough.  pretty goof y thinking huh?    I think last time i went rat shooting 17 rounds were 18-19c ea and the .223 ball reloads were 24c ea...   

[huntnphool]

I keep thinking that if I buy a 17hmr, it needs a good scope... and for that price i would rather buy and AR... And if i buy and AR i'd want a really nice scope.... So basically i don't buy a $2k set up AR because a $300 17 HMR isn't quite good enough.

 Just get one of each, problem solved.

[jaymark6655]

That is why i have bought neither... I keep thinking that if I buy a 17hmr, it needs a good scope... and for that price i would rather buy and AR... And if i buy and AR i'd want a really nice scope.... So basically i don't buy a $2k set up AR because a $300 17 HMR isn't quite good enough.  pretty goof y thinking huh?    I think last time i went rat shooting 17 rounds were 18-19c ea and the .223 ball reloads were 24c ea...

I bought the .17 before I had started reloading.  .17 usually cost me around 30 cents a round .223 reloads are like 18 cents a round.

[Special T]

I was just looking at ammo prices in my cheepr than dirt mag.. 17hmr was about 21c a round and ball amo for .223 was about 32c a round... So for the 10c difference i would get the gun that i could rapid fire and hunt all kinds of varmints plus couger with...
My cousin has a buddy that built a multi stage 223 loader. apparently it works kinda like the multi stage shotgun  loaders do... I want to see it in action some time... I've shot some of his stuff and it flew ok...

[thinkingman]

Had both...sold both.
Neither did what I thought they should at 100yds.
I agree, .223rem centerfire is the better compromise.
I can shoot 22lr out to 75yds or so with Aguila SuperMax or Stingers.
Outside of that, it's time to bring in a centerfire.

[Special T]

Where rimfires do have a place is restriced areas. In the Kittitas valley it used to be that if you were inside the KRD (Kittitas Resevour dist?) main ditch you had to use only a rim fire rifle... in that case a good argument could be made about 22mag or 17hmr.

[huntnphool]

That is a good point!

[204chucknorris]

I have a savage 17hmr and love it. It has taken many sage rats and other vermin. Nothing against 22mag but I say 17hmr for me. O and I have a local farmer that shoots coyotes frequently with his 17hmr!

[martin1]

Where rimfires do have a place is restriced areas. In the Kittitas valley it used to be that if you were inside the KRD (Kittitas Resevour dist?) main ditch you had to use only a rim fire rifle... in that case a good argument could be made about 22mag or 17hmr.

yes you still techniclly have to use a rim fire below the high line canal. or shot gun and muzzle loader. that is why i have my 17

[Mookie]

I personally prefer the 22 mag, I used to prefer the HMR.

When the 17 HMR came along it blew the pants off the 22wmr in nearly every way, bullet weight/retained energy were the only area where the 22wmr won. It is more accurate, flatter, awesome bullet selection and hit like a ton of bricks. It put a serious well deserved smackdown on the wmr for good reason. The wmr had been coasting along with zero improvements in technology or performance and was coasting along because it was better than the 22lr. Now, in the last 7 years or so, ammo manufacturers have come up with amazing upgrades  for the wmr, it's way more accurate, faster and flatter with a lot more bullet choices. Because of this, while generally not as accurate or as flat shooting as the hmr it is close. That is why I went with the 22wmr, modern technology made it worthwhile.

That is how capitalism works.