22mag or 17hmr

[tony04]

I say why have just one?  I have an H&R single shot .17hmr.  I can blow up milk jugs with it at 300 yrds all day long.  I find it to be fun to shoot.  I'd get me a 22mag too if I could.

Hahaha! Wind must never blow where your at and you can drain milk jugs all day long but you sure aren't blowing them up. 

Well, the wind is a factor in anything you shoot, but that dosnt mean that you can't blow up milk jugs at 300 yards with a 17hmr.  Here are some ballistics for you to chew on.

17HMR 17 grn V-max muzzle velocity/Energy @ 0=2550/245  Ballistic Coefficient (G1)=.125

100 yards  Velocity/Energy=1943/143
200 yards Velocity/Energy =1442/76
300 yards Velocity/Energy =1103/45.9
300 yard drop with a 100 yard zero=-33.17
300 yard wind drift with wind @ 90 deg from target and 10 mph=35.5"

22 WMR 30grn V-max Muzzle Velocity/Energy@ 0=2200/322

100 yards  Velocity/Energy=1498/149
200 yards Velocity/Energy =1062/75
300 yards Velocity/Energy =882/60
300 yard drop with a 100 yard zero=-59.99
300 yard wind drift with wind @ 90 deg from target and 10 mph=54.9"

Looks to me that a 30 grn 22WMR is factored more by the wind at 300 yrds than a 17 grn 17hmr is and no cost difference in the ammo really:dunno:

Is there a website with this information?  I was just curious how wind effect was at the other distances.

The main reason I'm leaning towards the 22mag was because of the wind factor..

[Dhoey07]

I say why have just one?  I have an H&R single shot .17hmr.  I can blow up milk jugs with it at 300 yrds all day long.  I find it to be fun to shoot.  I'd get me a 22mag too if I could.

Hahaha! Wind must never blow where your at and you can drain milk jugs all day long but you sure aren't blowing them up. 

Well, the wind is a factor in anything you shoot, but that dosnt mean that you can't blow up milk jugs at 300 yards with a 17hmr.  Here are some ballistics for you to chew on.

17HMR 17 grn V-max muzzle velocity/Energy @ 0=2550/245  Ballistic Coefficient (G1)=.125

100 yards  Velocity/Energy=1943/143
200 yards Velocity/Energy =1442/76
300 yards Velocity/Energy =1103/45.9
300 yard drop with a 100 yard zero=-33.17
300 yard wind drift with wind @ 90 deg from target and 10 mph=35.5"

22 WMR 30grn V-max Muzzle Velocity/Energy@ 0=2200/322

100 yards  Velocity/Energy=1498/149
200 yards Velocity/Energy =1062/75
300 yards Velocity/Energy =882/60
300 yard drop with a 100 yard zero=-59.99
300 yard wind drift with wind @ 90 deg from target and 10 mph=54.9"

Looks to me that a 30 grn 22WMR is factored more by the wind at 300 yrds than a 17 grn 17hmr is and no cost difference in the ammo really:dunno:

Is there a website with this information?  I was just curious how wind effect was at the other distances.

The main reason I'm leaning towards the 22mag was because of the wind factor..

How far are you shooting these varmints from???  If ya want to really reach out and touch something, I think that you'll have to step it up to a centerfire

[tony04]

Not very far.100yds max.

[Wazukie]

A good online ballistic calculator is here http://www.jbmballistics.com/ballistics/calculators/calculators.shtml
  That being said, you need some info such as Ballistic coefficient for the bullet you are using and muzzle velocity of said bullet shooting out of your gun.

As for the 17 hmr for a small game rifle, in my opinion, it can't be beat.  When I lived in central Nevada I hunted jack rabbit out to 200 yrds all the time with no problem killing them.  If you're going to shoot yotes with it, I'd keep it within 100 yrds.  For target shooting and honing the skills in marksmanship, I love it!  It's fun to set them milk jugs up at 300 yrds for sure.  Just remember that the 17 HMR has less bullet weight but it has a better coefficient.

What ever you decide, have fun with it.

[BOWHUNTER45]

.22 mag .... does drop sheet faster than that peace of sheet 17hmr UNLESS its a head shot or neck shot ...at least in my hands anyway  glad to see most agree  I bought a 17 hmr in a CZ Walnut stock when they 1st came out .. beautiful little gun...but after shooting numberous coyotes and watching them run off just pi$$ed me off ... O YEAH it killed them but I would watch them run 100 yrds or more and flip inside out ...I hit one in the shoulder with my .22 mag Ballistic tips and its party over ....and those Remington Ballistic tip have dumped a couple well over 100 yrds 

[huntnphool]

 I put a Cabelas Pine Ridge scope, designed for 17HMR with adjustable turrets, on mine and consistantly hit live targets out past 300 yards. I've never shot at a yote with it but have no doubt I would hit it where I want if I do. Bull barrel and laminated thumbhole stock, fun little gun.

[hillbilli]

I have 2 of the savage 93 .22 mags, thus the second one is for sale if you have the interest and are in my area.. (whidbey island) asking 125$, plain blued hardwood..

[winshooter88]

I have the same rifle as Phools got only in stainless. It is more accurate than any of the 22 magnums I have ever shot, (.

The 17HMR is great for grouse, rabbits and fox sized animals, but never tried it on yotes. Ammo prices are comparable when you use the ballistic tipped stuff.

If it was up to me, get the 17 in the Savage, great little rifle.

[Sliverslinger]

For rabbit, prairie dogs, and the like I absolutely love my .17 hmr, I wouldn't trade it for anything. For coyotoes, yes the 17 and .22 mag will work, but I think you're better off stepping up to a .223 for yotes. Here's the solution.

[Biggerhammer]

Guys, the .17 may be fun but I sure wouldn't want my friends seeing me with one.

I had a buddy say the same thing about fat chicks.

[nontypical176]

My buddy got a 17hmr and loved it...talked me into getting one.....2 months later he gave his to a nephew and went back to using his 22 mag....one year later I traded in my 17 and kept my 22 mag.  Hunting raccoons, yotes and other little critters on shots out to 150 yards the 22 mags just performed better for us....less critters running after being hit.  I did have fun shooting prairie dogs with the 17, but the 22 mag just puts down the larger critters better especially if the shot isn't perfect.  Thats just how our hunts went, but we don't need to take many long shots where we usually go either.  No prairie dogs here on the wet side.

[chuckster]

.17's are crazy accurate. They are great for out shooting your buddies when target shooting. They do very well when shooting sage rats. However I did not like how mine preformed on rock chucks. 90 percent of the time they where dead right there, but every now and again if I did not do my part just right I would have a wounded rock chuck trying to make it back to its den. A problem that I have not seen with friends of mine that shoot the 30 grain v max out of a .22 mag. A solved the problem even more and now only use a .223. They both have there place.

[Wazukie]

Some more interesting ballistics between the 17hmr 20gr HP and 22WMR 30gr V-max

17HMR

Input Data
Ballistic Coefficient:    0.125 G1    Caliber:    0.170 in
Bullet Weight:    20.0 gr       
Muzzle Velocity:   2550.0 ft/s      
Sight Height:   1.50 in   Line Of Sight Angle:   0.0 deg
Cant Angle:   0.0 deg      
Wind Speed:   20.0 mph   Target Speed:   20.0 mph
Temperature:   59.0 °F   Pressure:   29.92 in Hg
Humidity:   60.0 %   Altitude:   2000.0 ft
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude:   No   Pressure is Corrected:   Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range:   No   Target Relative Drops:   Yes
Column 1 Units:   1.00 in   Column 2 Units:   1.00 MOA
Round Output to Whole Numbers:   No      
Output Data
Elevation:   4.507 MOA   Windage:   0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density:   0.07081 lb/ft³   Speed of Sound:   1116.5 ft/s
Maximum PBR:   244 yd   Maximum PBR Zero:   212 yd
Range of Maximum Height:   124 yd   Energy at Maximum PBR:   70.1 ft•lbs
Sectional Density:   0.099 lb/in²
      
Calculated Table
Range   Drop          Drop     Windage     Windage     Velocity   Mach        Energy       Time   Lead     Lead
(yd)           (in)          (MOA)      (in)               (MOA)   (   ft/s)   (none)    (ft•lbs)      (s)     (in)    (MOA)
0            -1.5          ***       0.0        ***     2550.0    2.284    288.7    0.000    0.0      ***
25            -0.5           -1.9      0.3         1.3     2387.7    2.139    253.1    0.030    10.7       40.9
50              0.1       0.2       1.4         2.7     2231.4    1.999    221.1    0.063    22.1       42.3
75             0.3            0.4       3.3         4.2     2080.8    1.864    192.2    0.098    34.4       43.8
100            -0.0          -0.0       6.1         5.9     1936.3    1.734    166.5    0.135    47.5       45.4
125            -0.9          -0.7       9.9         7.6     1798.3    1.611    143.6    0.175    61.7       47.1
150            -2.5          -1.6       14.8         9.4     1667.4    1.493    123.4    0.219    76.9       49.0
175            -4.8          -2.6       20.9         11.4     1544.5    1.383    105.9    0.265    93.4       51.0
200            -8.1          -3.9       28.3         13.5     1430.7    1.281    90.9      0.316    111.     53.1
225            -12.4      -5.3       37.2         15.8     1327.4    1.189    78.2         0.370    130.3    55.3
250            -18.0      -6.9       47.4         18.1     1236.0    1.107    67.8      0.429    151.0    57.7
275            -25.0      -8.7       59.2         20.5     1158.0    1.037    59.5         0.492    173.0    60.1
300            -33.6      -10.7       72.3         23.0     1094.2    0.980    53.2         0.558    196.5    62.6

22WMR

Input Data
Ballistic Coefficient:    0.095 G1    Caliber:    0.220 in
Bullet Weight:    30.0 gr       
Muzzle Velocity:   2200.0 ft/s      
Sight Height:   1.50 in   Line Of Sight Angle:   0.0 deg
Cant Angle:   0.0 deg      
Wind Speed:   20.0 mph   Target Speed:   20.0 mph
Temperature:   59.0 °F   Pressure:   29.92 in Hg
Humidity:   60.0 %   Altitude:   2000.0 ft
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude:   No   Pressure is Corrected:   Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range:   No   Target Relative Drops:   Yes
Column 1 Units:   1.00 in   Column 2 Units:   1.00 MOA
Round Output to Whole Numbers:   No      
Output Data
Elevation:   5.921 MOA   Windage:   0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density:   0.07081 lb/ft³   Speed of Sound:   1116.5 ft/s
Maximum PBR:   200 yd   Maximum PBR Zero:   174 yd
Range of Maximum Height:   103 yd   Energy at Maximum PBR:   74.2 ft•lbs
Sectional Density:   0.089 lb/in²      
Calculated Table
Range   Drop        Drop        Windage        Windage        Velocity        Mach        Energy        Time        Lead     Lead
(yd)           (in)       (MOA)           (in)                 (MOA)                  (ft/s)       (none)        (ft•lbs)          (s)         (in)    (MOA)
0           -1.5         ***            0.0                   ***                 2200.0      1.971          322.4         0.000           0.0       ***
25           -0.2         -0.7            0.6                   2.2                 2004.7      1.796          267.7         0.036           12.6       48.0
50            0.6          1.1            2.4                   4.6                 1820.3      1.630          220.7         0.075           26.4       50.4
75            0.7          0.9            5.6                   7.2                 1648.0      1.476          180.9         0.118           41.6       53.0
100           -0.0         -0.0            10.5                   10.0                 1489.9      1.335          147.8         0.166           58.5       55.9
125           -1.7         -1.3            17.1                   13.1                 1348.7      1.208          121.1         0.219           77.1       58.9
150           -4.5         -2.9            25.7                   16.3                 1227.5      1.099          100.4         0.277           97.7       62.2
175           -8.9         -4.8            36.1                   19.7                 1129.8      1.012          85.0         0.341           120.1    65.5
200           -14.9         -7.1            48.3                   23.1                 1055.3      0.945          74.2         0.410           144.3    68.9
225           -22.8         -9.7            62.1                   26.4                 998.1         0.894          66.4         0.483           170.1    72.2
250           -33.0         -12.6            77.2                   29.5                 951.8         0.853          60.3         0.560           197.2    75.3
275           -45.5         -15.8            93.5                   32.5                 912.3         0.817          55.4         0.641           225.5    78.3
300           -60.7         -19.3            111.1           35.4                 877.5         0.786          51.3         0.725           255.1    81.2

[dreamunelk]

Guys, the .17 may be fun but I sure wouldn't want my friends seeing me with one.

I had a buddy say the same thing about fat chicks.

Same for Mopeds

[JackOfAllTrades]

For me it would be 22mag.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/compared_17HMR_22WMR.htm

-Steve