Proposed cougar season-Meeting Summary.

[Special T]

Well my guess would be they took a lower spread to come to matching where boot hunters are going to be able to harvest. Since this is political, that would make the least ammount of waves unless you dive deep into the numbers. Thier spread still falls within  the "real" spread. By being concerned and wanting to have a "Conservative" harvest they get to play the good guy, while sidestepping the real harvest issues. 

[Kain]

Well I emailed him with my numbers and asked for clarification.  I will let you all know what the answer is.

[Kain]

Well my guess would be they took a lower spread to come to matching where boot hunters are going to be able to harvest. Since this is political, that would make the least ammount of waves unless you dive deep into the numbers. Thier spread still falls within  the "real" spread. By being concerned and wanting to have a "Conservative" harvest they get to play the good guy, while sidestepping the real harvest issues. 

The actual precentages were supposed to be 12-16%.  I changed my earlier posts math to fix it.

Still

According to the video when I mention the distrust of the numbers he explained the the estimated population was of cougar over 2 years old.  He also said that they included the subadults into the harvest guideline and that that number was around 25% more.  The harvest guideline they have dont even meet the minimum estimates let alone adding in the subadults. 

[Special T]

 

[nontypical176]

When I contacted the WDFW about cougar seasons...did it when they went from March 31 to Dec 31....I was told that we only have a cougar season because the state makes money from it.  There has never been a cougar study on the west side of the cascade mountains.  The reason hounds were cut and the seasons shortened was because of the pressure from the environmental wackydoos.  And that it is very difficult for the WDFW to keep pushing for any predator hunting period because of the pressure from the environmental wackydoos.  The same freaks that think we need wolves. 

I like Kains math...look at the percentages...carry the one...subtract the enviro idiots....adjust for the fact that there has never been a cougar shortage in washington...and let us go hunting.  Makes perfect sense.

[Amos 33]

They might be useing the calculator that the IRS uses, their numbers and mine never do match.
Thanks for the time and efort your putting in to this Kain, it realy is apreciated.

[bearpaw]

KAIN, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK....

On another note, I have felt positive with every contact I have had with Martorello, he does not seem at all like a *censored*ter, Even though I am sure he is not in favor of everthing certain groups may want, I think he tells it like it is, and it seems you can believe what the man says. We can only hope that he moves up in the WDFW ranks. 

[Kain]

KAIN, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK....

On another note, I have felt positive with every contact I have had with Martorello, he does not seem at all like a *censored*ter, Even though I am sure he is not in favor of everthing certain groups may want, I think he tells it like it is, and it seems you can believe what the man says. We can only hope that he moves up in the WDFW ranks. 

Martorello said he will send me the unrounded numbers after I emailed him my concerns.  I dont think this can be explained as a rounding error.  I am hopeful that if we can bring legitimate concerns that they will continue to correct and increase seasons based on real math and science instead of making management decision based on uneducated public emotions. 

That being said I think the predator managers are trying (being forced?) to balance sound management practices with compromising with anti hunters.  If we can not change this through our legislature and this is going to be reality from now on we need to do our best to fight for everything we can get/keep.  In 2008 we came out on the loosing end of this unscientific policy in the WDFW.  I believe it is the efforts of WFW that was instrumental in getting us back this far.  Hopefully we can get keep pressure on them enough to get us a good long season back and make sure that something like this never happens again.  And once they realize that boot hunters can not manage cougar populations from growing by themselves it will only make the argument for returning hound hunting stronger.

[bearpaw]

the squeaky wheel gets the grease... 

[BOWHUNTER45]

good job kain .. But ya know they are slowly taking away our freedom ... I JUST WISH EVERYONE WOULD JUST SAY WE HAD ENOUGH Of this BS... After coming home today I was driving along the river when I started seeing Discover Signs put up in pull spots along the river WTF ... I am serious man its going over the edge fast .....We all need to make a stand on all issues ....thats why these kids around my town are doing drugs and getting in trouble ...NOTHEN FOR THEM TO DO !! Hunting & Fishing in these parts is a big deal ...keeps kids doing things they enjoy but now they are slowly taking it away little by little ..... I have been getting more extremist lately because I am getting tired of it ....YA KNOW ? little off subject ....forgive me 

[buckfvr]

good job kain .. But ya know they are slowly taking away our freedom ... I JUST WISH EVERYONE WOULD JUST SAY WE HAD ENOUGH Of this BS... After coming home today I was driving along the river when I started seeing Discover Signs put up in pull spots along the river WTF ... I am serious man its going over the edge fast .....We all need to make a stand on all issues ....thats why these kids around my town are doing drugs and getting in trouble ...NOTHEN FOR THEM TO DO !! Hunting & Fishing in these parts is a big deal ...keeps kids doing things they enjoy but now they are slowly taking it away little by little ..... I have been getting more extremist lately because I am getting tired of it ....YA KNOW ? little off subject ....forgive me 

You're not an extremist , more people should be fed up....at some point these rotten s.o.b.'s need a much stronger message.  The way they are treating us should be taken personally, like an attack on our lifestyles and livelyhoods......count me as an extremely pissed off tax paying citizen.

[BOWHUNTER45]

good job kain .. But ya know they are slowly taking away our freedom ... I JUST WISH EVERYONE WOULD JUST SAY WE HAD ENOUGH Of this BS... After coming home today I was driving along the river when I started seeing Discover Signs put up in pull spots along the river WTF ... I am serious man its going over the edge fast .....We all need to make a stand on all issues ....thats why these kids around my town are doing drugs and getting in trouble ...NOTHEN FOR THEM TO DO !! Hunting & Fishing in these parts is a big deal ...keeps kids doing things they enjoy but now they are slowly taking it away little by little ..... I have been getting more extremist lately because I am getting tired of it ....YA KNOW ? little off subject ....forgive me 

You're not an extremist , more people should be fed up....at some point these rotten s.o.b.'s need a much stronger message.  The way they are treating us should be taken personally, like an attack on our lifestyles and livelyhoods......count me as an extremely pissed off tax paying citizen.

 

[nontypical176]

I have a loose friend (friend by acquaintence through a good friend) that works for the WDFW.  He works hard pushing for hunters rights.  Predator hunting is the hardest they have to justify .  Hunters are a huge number but most of us are working class citizens/with families and don't participate as much as we should (me included).  I appreciate any efforts on our behalf...There are groups like PETA that do all they can to stop hunting period.   Most of us have things going on in our own lives and its always great to here people fighting on our behalf....Makes me want to do more.....So today I sent a letter to the WDFW....Might be tooo late for this year (not even sure of that), but its never the wrong time to support whats right.  It might not always be the best time to send letters/phone calls/emails, but if you have time send'em...We should all keep that in mind.

[Kain]

http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2012/03/audio/20120310_07.mp3

Follow along with the presentation slides here.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2012/03/mar1012_07_presentation.pdf

If you listen to the bear section also you will see commissioners and the public comments are very concerned with how our predators are being managed.

We may have a very good chance of getting a longer cougar season.

[BOWHUNTER45]

Kain .....thank you thank you thank you ...that is the most sense I ever heard out of any one from the dept...all they need to realize is that you just do not head out into the cougar woods and actually ever see one... so as far as boot hunting goes it should be a really long season ... after January and they have not met there quotas then thats where the pilot program should kick in ....but all in all at least we have someone fighting for us ....thanks for posting that....It was a long sit down in front of my computer but well worth it !!!!