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270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« on: March 02, 2012, 09:02:29 AM »
I recently won a Tikka T3 270 WSM at the RMEF Banquet last week.  After some research I decided to use this as my hi-country deer gun and loaded it with a Nikon Monarch 4x16x42 BDC for the long range shot.  I have been using a 30-06 as my only elk/deer hunting gun for years now, and am torn whether I should be taking this long range shooter out for Elk Hunting on days where we are hunting a canyon, or can expect a 300-600 yard shot.  Everyone says to get a .300 Win Mag, but hey, this gun was free, so I just want to know if anyone has had success shooting Elk long distance with a 270 WSM or similar?  Thanks for you replies.

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2012, 09:13:32 AM »
Guy Eastman killed a nice bull with a 270wsm on this past week's show. He took 2 shots but it looked like both were good shots.
Not that that means it's a do-all end-all elk gun but it's all about shot placement. Use it and put your bullets in the boiler room and you'll be fine.
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2012, 09:16:44 AM »
Shot placement and bullet selection mean far more than caliber.  If you can shoot it well, it's a fine caliber.
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2012, 09:18:43 AM »
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Shot placement and bullet selection mean far more than caliber.  If you can shoot it well, it's a fine caliber.
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2012, 09:22:40 AM »
I used my .270 on my bull this year one shot, one kill.  Call and stalk to within rock throwing distance and you shouldn't have a problem. :tup:
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2012, 09:25:07 AM »
I used my .270 on my bull this year one shot, one kill.  Call and stalk to within rock throwing distance and you shouldn't have a problem. :tup:
I've heard 270s can even kill just a bit further than rock throwing distance, but that works too. :chuckle:
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2012, 09:25:51 AM »
I was planning on using either the Federal Barnes TSX 130 grain, or the Federal Nosler Partition 150 grain.  I appreciate everyones feedback.

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2012, 09:27:12 AM »
there are lots of threads about bullets but I'll say accubonds look at accubonds  ;)
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2012, 09:30:47 AM »
id stick with the 150 grain for elk. i used 130 for deer and used 150 noslers when i used my 270 win for elk.

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2012, 09:31:09 AM »
Guy Eastman killed a nice bull with a 270wsm on this past week's show. He took 2 shots but it looked like both were good shots.
Not that that means it's a do-all end-all elk gun but it's all about shot placement. Use it and put your bullets in the boiler room and you'll be fine.
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I was going to say the same thing. He killed him from 350 yards too. The second shot rocked him. In the 70's, the 270 was considered to be an elk rifle.
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2012, 09:32:39 AM »
Ask Jack O'Connor what a 270 will kill... I am sure he can list enough animals to make you feel alright about using it as an elk gun.

NOW unlike Jack.. the fact that your's is a WSM.. means it just has a bit more umph.. so feel confident in what ever you do with it.. I would.

I have the 300 WSM like 400 Out and between the two, 270 and 300 WSM, I feel the 300 is better basically because there is a tad more bullet selection being a 30 cal and those bullets.. almost all of them have a better BC.. meaning better for distance. But that is a whole other thread :)

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2012, 10:00:53 AM »
Its plenty enough gun for what you want to do with it.  That gun will kill anything that your 30 06 will.

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2012, 10:01:35 AM »
Ask Jack O'Connor what a 270 will kill... I am sure he can list enough animals to make you feel alright about using it as an elk gun.









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I can't say for sure they're all killed with his .270 I guess...
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2012, 10:05:57 AM »
It's .031" in difference..125" is an eighth of an inch. If you stacked the difference between the two in dollar bills, you would have about $4.00....don't listen to the internet marksmen who shoot at one elk every ten years and lose down their leg in the process which screws up the shot......so next time they bring a bigger gun to solve the issue. There is no issue. It is plenty of gun.

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2012, 10:13:27 AM »
150 accunbonds for everything should stabilize well down range , plenty of gun ! my old hunting buddy killed 21 elk with a .270 most with one shot .

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2012, 10:20:30 AM »
Thanks for all of the posts!  The 270 WSM will now be my long range Elk shooter. 

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2012, 10:32:00 AM »
.270 WSM will not drop an elk. For that you need a minimum .338 Remington Ultra Mag and must hand load $4.00+/bullets :chuckle:

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2012, 04:38:19 PM »
Elk are only bullet proof on the internet.

In real life,a .270WSM will kill any bull that walks the face of the earth.


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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2012, 04:45:13 PM »
Would it be my first choice for an elk round?   No.

Would I hunt elk with it with out worrying about whether it was powerful enough?   Yes.

Am I extremely jealous that you won it in a Tikka?    Absolutely!

All else being equal, I'd take something along the lines of a 300 WSM if I were picking, but I'd sure love to win what you just won.   

As others have already said, a quality bullet built for elk sized game will put meat right in your freezer if you do your part.

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2012, 04:45:38 PM »
140g accubond out of a 270wsm will take any elk that walks.
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2012, 05:17:37 PM »
Boy, if I had a .270 WSM I would cook me up a hand load using a 160 PT just in case a nasty grizzly tried to take my dead moose away from me. I,m sure the WSM would make a 160 sizzle.  :twocents:

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2012, 06:00:28 PM »
I have seen several elk, deer, and bear taken with a 270 wsm. I would recommend premium grade bullets. :tup:
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2012, 06:01:52 PM »
I almost shot my bull this last season with a .270 WSM but the .450 Ultra Magnum won the mental debate at the truck, just before the big game. :tup: I would have taken the same shot with the .270 WSM as I did with the .450.

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2012, 06:17:46 PM »
I always get a chuckle out of these threads!  Of course a .270 is plenty of gun for anything in North America!  Since someone pointed out that the .270 was Jack O'Connor's favorite caliber I would also like to point out that Eleanor O'Connor (Jacks wife) would always poke fun at her husband and the great big guns that he would bring on a safari.  She killed every species he did on the dark continent with her .257 and a 30-06 including an elephant!  Yes an 06' took down an elephant but some think that it isn't enough gun for elk! :chuckle:
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2012, 06:47:26 PM »
I always get a chuckle out of these threads!  Of course a .270 is plenty of gun for anything in North America!  Since someone pointed out that the .270 was Jack O'Connor's favorite caliber I would also like to point out that Eleanor O'Connor (Jacks wife) would always poke fun at her husband and the great big guns that he would bring on a safari.  She killed every species he did on the dark continent with her .257 and a 30-06 including an elephant!  Yes an 06' took down an elephant but some think that it isn't enough gun for elk! :chuckle:

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2012, 06:51:13 PM »
Elk doesn't know better. Just like a dead insurgent doesn't talk any less when a 5.56 hits them vs. a 7.62
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2012, 06:58:29 PM »
140g accubond out of a 270wsm will take any elk that walks.
Yes it will. 140 Accubond from a 270win will do the same. I killed my cow elk this year accross a canyon, one shot from the 270win, she was down instantly, bang flop. Firefighter4607 killed his 7x7 342'' bull in 2006 with his 270wsm, worked great for him! Congrats on winning a fine rifle/cartridge!
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2012, 07:12:40 PM »
my mom killed a moose in wyoming a long time ago with a 270 win yes it took multiple shots but they werent the best placed shots.

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2012, 07:44:13 PM »
I've taken 10 elk all with either a .270 win or a 25-06, about half of 'em with plain jane cup & core bullets at distances up to 375 yards. only 1 took more than 1 shot and he was the closest & those extra shots were for my sense of security, not really needed but as I tell my kids, if he's still standing, shoot again! otherwise he may run into the nastiest, deepest, darkest, canyon & we'll have to pack him out when if you just put another alongside the 1st hopefully he'll drop, roll over & land on the road! just kidding about that last remark but truthfully a .270 WSM with quality bullets will be a fine elk rig. awesome win!
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2012, 08:51:48 PM »
 :) the real trick is this, put a piece of tape over the caliber marking on yer gun, the elk won't know what gun you used, so anything you shoot well will kill them!!!!  geeeez you guys make this way to complicated. its all about the numbers some magazine publishes, experience means  nothing!!!!
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2012, 08:57:01 PM »
I always get a chuckle out of these threads!  Of course a .270 is plenty of gun for anything in North America!  Since someone pointed out that the .270 was Jack O'Connor's favorite caliber I would also like to point out that Eleanor O'Connor (Jacks wife) would always poke fun at her husband and the great big guns that he would bring on a safari.  She killed every species he did on the dark continent with her .257 and a 30-06 including an elephant!  Yes an 06' took down an elephant but some think that it isn't enough gun for elk! :chuckle:

So true.  It's all about placement and knowing where you gun shoots.
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2012, 09:50:33 PM »
I recently won a Tikka T3 270 WSM at the RMEF Banquet last week.  After some research I decided to use this as my hi-country deer gun and loaded it with a Nikon Monarch 4x16x42 BDC for the long range shot.  I have been using a 30-06 as my only elk/deer hunting gun for years now, and am torn whether I should be taking this long range shooter out for Elk Hunting on days where we are hunting a canyon, or can expect a 300-600 yard shot.  Everyone says to get a .300 Win Mag, but hey, this gun was free, so I just want to know if anyone has had success shooting Elk long distance with a 270 WSM or similar?  Thanks for you replies.

 The cartridge with the proper bullet will cleanly kill an elk out to your stated 600 yards.
The real question would be, how much shooting do you do to 600 yards and beyond?
You also state you will be using factory premium ammo. You really need to practice ALLOT at the distances you are contemplating and with the ammo you plan on hunting with.
  Should you miss judge a wind call by as little as 3-5 mph, you could have a clean miss or a gut shot elk.
My recommendation is to put 200+ rounds down range to 600 and beyond and in all types of weather, not just sunny days, and not just at a range.


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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2012, 09:59:53 PM »
I have to say, the average person has no business shooting any further than 400 yards at a big game animal. Even that's a stretch, 300 yards is closer to what most people should consider their max range. And yes, the 270 WSM is more than capable of killing an elk. Shot placement and the bullet used are the more important than the headstamp on the cartridge.

(From a lot of the posts I've been seeing lately, it appears that many people are being influenced in a big way by "Best of the West")


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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2012, 10:20:24 PM »
its all about shot placement guys, my dad and my grandpa had multiple one shot kills on deer, elk and bear with the 243. Its just shot placement know your rifle.
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2012, 07:15:57 AM »
Not a big fan of "best of the west". I you take the time to learn how to shoot, I still dont think anyone should be shooting that far at animals. I hope not to many sportsmen try to shoot distances like they do on the show.

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2012, 08:41:49 AM »
Not a big fan of "best of the west". I you take the time to learn how to shoot, I still dont think anyone should be shooting that far at animals. I hope not to many sportsmen try to shoot distances like they do on the show.

I agree.  I still remember the first time I saw that show and the I thought WTH.  If it's all about putting a bullet in a small spot at extremely long distances, then use a non-living target.  With any of those animals they shoot, they could have easily closed the distance if they chose to, like most hunters.  Personally I think it promotes the wrong message. :twocents:
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2012, 09:22:14 AM »
I'm not sure it promotes the wrong Idea . the guys that take it seriouslly truelly take there skills to the next level . I'd say if the average guy takes that long of shot(600 plus) more than likley it will be a clean miss. It's the 300-500 shots that I think wound more animalls because the shooter is just good enough to hit the animal somewhere.  :twocents:

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« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2012, 09:24:46 AM »
I will agree with coach except I think 300 is still not that bad of a shot but another 50 yards out and you generally get out of most peoples capabilities  :twocents:
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2012, 09:27:53 AM »
Well this thread was started by someone with a Tikka in 270 WSM who wants to shoot elk from 300 to 600 yards. What I'm saying is that an average rifle like this (and average shooter) should not be used for long shots like that. Up to 300 yards, yes no problem, 400 yards, MAYBE, any further, NO WAY in hell!


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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2012, 09:29:57 AM »
Your only as good as your rifle lets you be.

Not saying I am an expert but I can put lead on taget a ways out there.

What shocks me is the people that have a big game rifle in their hands and can't hit the broad side of a barn, I have taken two big game animals that I sure as heck wasn't the first  one shooting at it.

Then you always get the guy who ask's " how did you hit that thing?"  Uh lets see, I put the crosshairs on it and squeezed.

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2012, 09:30:49 AM »
270 WSM, anything beyond 400 I would let walk for sure.
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2012, 09:31:29 AM »
I agree bob, If i'm 400 yards then i can get closer without pushing the animal, I if can't then back out! and if it's moving then the shot shouldn't be taken anyways  :twocents:
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2012, 10:05:33 AM »
400 yrds  is a long shot no matter what gun your shooting  :dunno: :chuckle: I figure with my .270 if I can see it I can kill it  8) we all have our favorite gun ...some like them light , some like them big ...I prefer in the middle ....270 all the way backed up with a 140 gr hornaday ....serious combonation  :chuckle:

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2012, 10:12:18 AM »
Bowhunter,

Exactly why I shoot a 300 RUM. It doesnt mean its better, just gives me all the confidence I need in the world. It hits hard and *censored* falls down.

To each his his own..  I loved the .280 Rem I use to have. That thing was a tac driver.....
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2012, 04:39:19 PM »
I have taken mule deer from the ranges of 85yds. all the way out to 550yds. with the 270wsm with a 140gr. Accubond bullet. As long as you know the true distance, practice at these ranges with the wind conditions and put the bullet in the kill zone you should be fine. Now when I say practice I mean shoot alot not just once before you go out on the hunt. I don't worry about elk as my area I hunt in is in timber and shots are from 20ft. to 150yds. max. :twocents:
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2012, 10:41:43 PM »
Forgot to mention earlier but if you are thinking that with the BDC reticle you can just sight in at 100yds and BAM instant sniper think again.  I got one when they first came out and tried it on three calibers with multiple different loads and none worked well.  Circles just aren't precise!  There is a reason snipers use mill dots and not circles.  I guess I just expect groups tighter than 10inches at 300.  Is that good enough to kill an elk, yes but not every time and that is what we all need to strive for is shots that are on the money every time.  Just my  :twocents:
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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2012, 10:20:18 PM »
Forgot to mention earlier but if you are thinking that with the BDC reticle you can just sight in at 100yds and BAM instant sniper think again.  I got one when they first came out and tried it on three calibers with multiple different loads and none worked well.  Circles just aren't precise!  There is a reason snipers use mill dots and not circles.  I guess I just expect groups tighter than 10inches at 300.  Is that good enough to kill an elk, yes but not every time and that is what we all need to strive for is shots that are on the money every time.  Just my  :twocents:

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2012, 04:04:07 AM »
Have you considered getting closer? Beyond that, the .270wsm should hit hard enough if put in the right spot.

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Re: 270 WSM... Elk Gun?
« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2012, 04:46:48 AM »
two things ....27O has treated my family well for over 50yrs or more.... my dad shot one before I was born ..then I grew up with a .243 which seen alot of death too ! :chuckle: I have put the .270 threw the test believe me.. I have killed animals as big as elk and bear with no problems ever and at longer rangers , but I am here to tell ya it definately where you put the bullet and what type of bullet you use.. 270 was designed for 130 gr which is fine but you use a 140 gr and sheet is a whole different story,, i agree with Bobcat ..to many BEST OF THE WEST FANS OUT THERE ... I do not care who you are or how good of a shot you think you are ...Shooting at game at 900 yrds or over is a little much ....plus I do not want to walk that far to retrieve my game  :chuckle: :chuckle: And @ RTspring it took me over 35 yrs to buy a mag .rifle and actually I enjoy it ....i bought a 300 WSM ..love it ....Plus I shot one deer with my friends 300 ultra and I am here to back you up on it dropping sheet .....it was well over the 300 mark and I just placed the crosshairs level with its back and squeeeeeeezed off and night night right now  :o :chuckle: :dunno: :tup:

 


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