Evidence for parasite-induced vulnerability to predation by wolves?

[ICEMAN]

No, really, they haven't. The parasite loads found in the ungulates is astonishing.

As a new hunter, how do you know so much about this topic?

[hughjorgan]

No, really, they haven't. The parasite loads found in the ungulates is astonishing.

Oh really, what parasites do our ungulates carry in our state. Of all the elk I have seen harvested, I haven't seen any parasites in the meat or gut piles.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

No, really, they haven't. The parasite loads found in the ungulates is astonishing.

Oh really, what parasites do our ungulates carry in our state. Of all the elk I have seen harvested, I haven't seen any parasites in the meat or gut piles.

You've never seen ticks or liver flukes? Hair slip is supposed to be caused by lice, but here's an earlier version of what causes hair slip.....worms.

http://web.kitsapsun.com/news/2000/june/062072584.html

Not saying that wild meat is not safe to eat, but there are way more parasites that deer and elk carry than you are obviously aware of.

But you wanna start talking parasites worms and flukes and such fish take the cake. I've seen all kinds of worms in fish from stomach to the meat and different organs. The canneries in Alaska use black lights to find worms in the cod fillets and other fish. Halibut can have quite a few worms too.

With any wild meat, the basic rule is make sure it's cooked good if you want to avoid parasites.

[KFhunter]

I think perhaps the high wolf predation areas the moose are running their asses off and crapping out the worms, ain't got time to stand around in the timber gathering up worms.
 
Or maybe all the runnin they are leaner, maybe their diet is different with heavier less favorable feed browse due to avoiding wolves?
 
Or maybe they stand belly deep in the marshes more than moose with less predation, who might snack on something more tasty but leaves them more vunerable?
 
too many varibles to call this one,  sounds like    to me

[humanure]

You actually stated good points there for what I was saying. Hahaha.

I may be a beginning hunter, but I've spent years studying these things in my time. I don't have a doctorate of any kind, but i've interned under many people in the field as a volunteer. Learning just to learn.

[hughjorgan]

No, really, they haven't. The parasite loads found in the ungulates is astonishing.

Oh really, what parasites do our ungulates carry in our state. Of all the elk I have seen harvested, I haven't seen any parasites in the meat or gut piles.

You've never seen ticks or liver flukes? Hair slip is supposed to be caused by lice, but here's an earlier version of what causes hair slip.....worms.

http://web.kitsapsun.com/news/2000/june/062072584.html

Not saying that wild meat is not safe to eat, but there are way more parasites that deer and elk carry than you are obviously aware of.

But you wanna start talking parasites worms and flukes and such fish take the cake. I've seen all kinds of worms in fish from stomach to the meat and different organs. The canneries in Alaska use black lights to find worms in the cod fillets and other fish. Halibut can have quite a few worms too.

With any wild meat, the basic rule is make sure it's cooked good if you want to avoid parasites.

Yummy, must be the unhealthy type of wild game that humanure has been eating, maybe he should get checked for worms. Or better yet the WDFW might have some pellets left from feeding those deer. He can eat that until we get some wolves to make our herds healthy 

[Elkaholic daWg]

You actually stated good points there for what I was saying. Hahaha.

I may be a beginning hunter, but I've spent years studying these things in my time. I don't have a doctorate of any kind, but i've interned under many people in the field as a volunteer. Learning just to learn.

25 Posts.... EVERY one on wolves, Nothing else.   Beginning hunter, or Kehnes assistant? Handle has troll all over it.

[3nails]

You actually stated good points there for what I was saying. Hahaha.

I may be a beginning hunter, but I've spent years studying these things in my time. I don't have a doctorate of any kind, but i've interned under many people in the field as a volunteer. Learning just to learn.

25 Posts.... EVERY one on wolves, Nothing else.   Beginning hunter, or Kehnes assistant? Handle has troll all over it.

[ICEMAN]

You actually stated good points there for what I was saying. Hahaha.

I may be a beginning hunter, but I've spent years studying these things in my time. I don't have a doctorate of any kind, but i've interned under many people in the field as a volunteer. Learning just to learn.

25 Posts.... EVERY one on wolves, Nothing else.   Beginning hunter, or Kehnes assistant? Handle has troll all over it.

Do ya think?   

Somebody ask him to go blast some yotes or on a canned pheasant shoot...  We need to develop a test to wean these types out... On the other hand, good to see their approach and tactics.

[Knocker of rocks]

No, really, they haven't. The parasite loads found in the ungulates is astonishing.

As a new hunter, how do you know so much about this topic?

He seems to have a biology background.  He may work for a university or the state, and may be more pragmatic towards wolves than some others here.  But that does not mean he isn't a hunter, and is not pro hunting.

[humanure]

No college background. Just learn on my own free will and admission. I've lived under Mt. Rainier my whole life, always let others go hunting but while young, never went myself(i had other interests). Now that I'm older, I started seeing the benefit in knowing how to survive one your own and started going hunting with my friends, late on the action but am full on the knowledge(knowing dont do no good without experience, as I'm sure ya'll would agree).

Yes, my only posts are on the wolf topics, because thats the controversy i'm involved with. But I see both sides pf the fight and their viewpoints as valid. I just don't completely agree with either sides tactics.

[Special T]

Its already been stated several times. Pro wolf activists follow the same line of drift on this forum. EVERY TIME they start right off talking about wolves. This guy might be doing a better job of trying to "sell" us his opinion, but that is the reason he is here. He is not here because he is a hunter, he is here because he is an activist. I have looked at several people that have claimed to be hunters, or new hunters. NOT ONE of them have acted like the 100s of new members we get here.  Ask your self what newbies do on here when they post.... This guy hasn't done a thing like them.... Or any other wolf in hunters clothing. 

The major flaw with most pro wolf posts is that wolf huggers want wolves to regulate numbers and kinds of animals taken... Hunters can do the same thing if we are allowed by the WDFW. So if there was any logic behind why the WDFW doesn't reduce overall herd size or issue more Doe/cow permits I'm all ears.

[Knocker of rocks]

No college background. Just learn on my own free will and admission. I've lived under Mt. Rainier my whole life, always let others go hunting but while young, never went myself(i had other interests). Now that I'm older, I started seeing the benefit in knowing how to survive one your own and started going hunting with my friends, late on the action but am full on the knowledge(knowing dont do no good without experience, as I'm sure ya'll would agree).

Yes, my only posts are on the wolf topics, because thats the controversy i'm involved with. But I see both sides pf the fight and their viewpoints as valid. I just don't completely agree with either sides tactics.

Welcome.

You'll find that it'll get worse before it gets better. 

[Johnb317]

Funny,  last couple elk, 2 in Idaho and one in western Washington were clean.  Nice coats, no tumor, and excellent meat.   To check any further would be more than what the cattle industry does.   
The thing all the tree huggers forget is that humans are part of nature and you can't turn back the clock.   Once we moved out of caves etc and built permanent structures the die was cast.  There are things we can do to mitigate the damage, but releasing probably the most effective killer next to man doesn't make sense.  At least we abide by game laws.   

[humanure]

Hunters can do the same thing if we are allowed by the WDFW. So if there was any logic behind why the WDFW doesn't reduce overall herd size or issue more Doe/cow permits I'm all ears.

Falsification. If modern hunting were as effective as others believe, it would have been utilized. But we have to take into account how many trophy hunters are out their in ratio to the subsistance hunters.