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Reciprocity Bill introduced with more than 25 Cosponsors
« on: March 20, 2012, 07:57:55 PM »
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Today, Senators John Thune (R-SD) and David Vitter (R-LA) introduced legislation to recognize national reciprocity for gun owners who can legally carry concealed firearms in the state where they reside.

The Thune-Vitter bill, S. 2213, was introduced with a huge show of support.  Twenty-nine Senators sponsored or cosponsored the bill, and this is, in large part, thanks to you!  Because of all your efforts over the last week, the following Senators signed on in support of the legislation:

Ayotte (NH), Barrasso (WY), Boozman (AR), Burr (NC), Chambliss (GA), Coburn (OK), Cochran (MS), Cornyn (TX), Crapo (ID), DeMint (SC), Enzi (WY), Graham (SC), Grassley (IA), Hatch (UT), Inhofe (OK), Isakson (GA), Ron Johnson (WI), Lee (UT), Lugar (IN), McConnell (KY), Paul (KY), Portman (OH), Risch (ID), Rubio (FL), Sessions (AL), Thune (SD), Toomey (PA), Vitter (LA), Wicker (MS) Moran (KS) and Roberts (KS).

This bill, the Respecting States’ Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act, treats concealed carry as a RIGHT belonging to the people – not a privilege granted by the government.

“Rather than establish a national standard, our bill will ensure that law-abiding citizens are able to carry concealed firearms while at the same time respecting the laws of the respective states they visit,” said Sen. Thune.

The Thune-Vitter bill provides national recognition for concealed carry permit holders (who have obtained one from their home states), but it also recognizes the right to carry for residents of Constitutional Carry states (where no permit is required).

This is a huge win for gun owners!  Constitutional Carry is currently the law in five states, and more than a dozen states have legislation to move in that direction.

A competing bill, S. 2188, offers reciprocity ONLY for permit holders -- and thus it would prevent many gun owners, who can legally carry in their home states, from carrying firearms when they travel out-of-state.  This compromise bill, sponsored by anti-gun Senate Democrats Mark Begich (AK), Joe Manchin (WV) and Max Baucus (MT), would deal a severe blow to the momentum we have in passing Constitutional Carry at the state level.

It is crucial that Senators support the Constitutional Carry-friendly bill, and to oppose any efforts to weaken the Thune-Vitter legislation.

ACTION:  Contact your Senators right away.  Thank those who have sponsored S. 2213.  If your Senators have not yet cosponsored, please urge them to do so … and to stay off of the Begich-Manchin bill.

There are two different letters, depending on whether your Senators are cosponsoring S. 2213.   

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Re: Reciprocity Bill introduced with more than 25 Cosponsors
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2012, 08:19:00 PM »
But of course Oregon didnt jump on board with this!    :bash: :bash:
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Re: Reciprocity Bill introduced with more than 25 Cosponsors
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2012, 06:17:02 AM »
And, do you think our esteemed Senators Cant-do-well and the grandmother in tennis shoes will support it? Not going to happen.
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Re: Reciprocity Bill introduced with more than 25 Cosponsors
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2012, 12:49:00 PM »
I can't find any new info, anyone know what happened with this? Is it still being argued or what? :dunno:

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Re: Reciprocity Bill introduced with more than 25 Cosponsors
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2012, 01:04:41 PM »
 
And, do you think our esteemed Senators Cant-do-well and the grandmother in tennis shoes will support it? Not going to happen.

I hope not. I oppose this measure.  :twocents:

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Re: Reciprocity Bill introduced with more than 25 Cosponsors
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2012, 01:37:18 PM »
And, do you think our esteemed Senators Cant-do-well and the grandmother in tennis shoes will support it? Not going to happen.

I hope not. I oppose this measure.  :twocents:

Why on earth would you oppose CCW reciprocity?

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Re: Reciprocity Bill introduced with more than 25 Cosponsors
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2012, 02:11:19 PM »
I have made and will continue to make the tough choices to secure my liberty and freedom. The ratification of this bill is contraindicated to such a world view as it is a short term high with potentially devastating long term fall out.

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Re: Reciprocity Bill introduced with more than 25 Cosponsors
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2012, 02:24:35 PM »
I have made and will continue to make the tough choices to secure my liberty and freedom. The ratification of this bill is contraindicated to such a world view as it is a short term high with potentially devastating long term fall out.

Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that all it does is makes it so a CWP is valid in any state that allows concealed carry, pursuant to that state's laws. Kind of like a drivers license. So if I went to California I would be legal to carry concealed as long as I remained compliant with California CCW laws, just like I can drive down there now and as long as I don't speed or something like that my WA driver's license makes me legal to drive. What possible negative fallout could this have?  :dunno:

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Re: Reciprocity Bill introduced with more than 25 Cosponsors
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2012, 02:29:57 PM »
I have made and will continue to make the tough choices to secure my liberty and freedom. The ratification of this bill is contraindicated to such a world view as it is a short term high with potentially devastating long term fall out.

Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that all it does is makes it so a CWP is valid in any state that allows concealed carry, pursuant to that state's laws. Kind of like a drivers license. So if I went to California I would be legal to carry concealed as long as I remained compliant with California CCW laws, just like I can drive down there now and as long as I don't speed or something like that my WA driver's license makes me legal to drive. What possible negative fallout could this have?  :dunno:

States like OR, who require taking a course before issuing a CWP, would no longer be able to require the course if someone had a CWP from another state. The negative fallout in their eyes is going to be state's rights over fed law. From our perspective, it's a win all around.
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Re: Reciprocity Bill introduced with more than 25 Cosponsors
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2012, 02:44:33 PM »
I have made and will continue to make the tough choices to secure my liberty and freedom. The ratification of this bill is contraindicated to such a world view as it is a short term high with potentially devastating long term fall out.

Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that all it does is makes it so a CWP is valid in any state that allows concealed carry, pursuant to that state's laws. Kind of like a drivers license. So if I went to California I would be legal to carry concealed as long as I remained compliant with California CCW laws, just like I can drive down there now and as long as I don't speed or something like that my WA driver's license makes me legal to drive. What possible negative fallout could this have?  :dunno:

States like OR, who require taking a course before issuing a CWP, would no longer be able to require the course if someone had a CWP from another state. The negative fallout in their eyes is going to be state's rights over fed law. From our perspective, it's a win all around.

I still don't see the down side....personally I think the second amendment should be the only thing we need for concealed carry. For now though I think that anything that moves us closer to that is a good thing and should be pushed for.

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Re: Reciprocity Bill introduced with more than 25 Cosponsors
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2012, 02:45:15 PM »
Atrox, I agree with you. Just answering your question. :tup:
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Re: Reciprocity Bill introduced with more than 25 Cosponsors
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2012, 02:49:23 PM »
It creates a precedent for regulation of the 2nd Amendment at a federal level.  :bdid:

I made the tough choice to leave Washington, feeling that it is overrun by socialists. If the RKBA becomes prohibitively strangled at the federal level, there will be nowhere left to run. Be careful what you wish for.

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Re: Reciprocity Bill introduced with more than 25 Cosponsors
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2012, 02:50:49 PM »
As much as I’d like to carry in OR and Nevada, I think this bill is another overreach into state’s rights.  As written it is under the guise of interstate and foreign commerce and its constitutionality would probably have to be ruled on by the Supreme Court.  Even if it would be held up doesn’t make it the right thing to do.

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Re: Reciprocity Bill introduced with more than 25 Cosponsors
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2012, 03:00:45 PM »
This bill is pointless. The Fed gov't making another law that doesn't need to exist, further legitimizing the violations of the second amendent, and infringing on the tenth amendment in the process.

By supporting this bill you are also supporting the state mandates that you must carry a permit in order to carry a concealed firearm. State mandates which are unconstitutional.

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Re: Reciprocity Bill introduced with more than 25 Cosponsors
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2012, 03:09:20 PM »
 :yeah:

The activist SCOTUS upheld Obamacare as a tax despite the Dear Leader's claims to the contrary. I just cringe at how even Antonin Scalia opened the door to new gun bans in his 2008 opinion. The less the feds have too do with the RKBA, the better.  :twocents:

 


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