10 wolf packs in WA...possibly.

[Special T]

I don't doubt the fact that there are Hybrids out there. And the fact that they are a problem.  How can the WDFW say a sighting is a hybrid from a phone call and pic vs a real wolf? Why is the WDFW just avoiding the potential problem instead of coming up with a plan?
You can make ANY argument you want, but unless the WDFW addresses these issues the whole thing is flawed and a waste of energy. 

[BuckNAze]

I know we had one confirmed hybrid on our reservation just recently. This winter there was a deer kill that was suspected of being a wolf that was by a ranchers house so he had Fish and Wildlife and some loggers put some game trail cameras up around it and at first it looks just like a wolf but after the DNA from the scat was sent it, it was a confirmed hybrid. Our laws here are most dogs that are caught chasing wildlife are shot, don't see why this would be any different.

[hirshey]

That map shows nothing about wolves in the klickitat area.  That is the only place in WA I have seen one with my own eyes.    Is that because it is not considered a pack or because noone is recognizing that they are there?

It seems photos are the best way to get yourself taken seriously... even when I had my wolf encounter up in the Lake Chelan Rec Area the first question I was asked was, "are you certain they weren't coyotes?". It was only when I replied I had photos and GPS coordinates that they committed a person in to go look for them... they even told me other people had reported seeing wolves, tracks, and hearing howls in the near vicinity but hadn't investigated because there was no solid proof. I encourage everyone to try to get some kind of proof after that experience.

[PlateauNDN]

Does anyone know if the 15 packs for the state includes packs on tribal lands? They are almost thinking we have a breeding pair here already on the northern part of the Reservation. Just curious on how that is worded. Im assuming it includes tribal lands but not 100% sure, thanks.

The wolf plan created by the WDFW does not identify lands outside of their control, they identify the entire State and break it down into zones.  Each zone has it's own set of pack numbers they wish to have in that particular zone.  And last I heard and read is there is at least 1 pack in the north half and 1 possibly on your rez. 

You had some of your Tribes reps. speaking on behalf of your Tribe speak openly that they are only going to allow 1 pack on the Rez and 1 pack off the rez in the north half, so from your Tribes stand point they've already made it clear, publicly that they are not tolerating more than that.

I know we had one confirmed hybrid on our reservation just recently. This winter there was a deer kill that was suspected of being a wolf that was by a ranchers house so he had Fish and Wildlife and some loggers put some game trail cameras up around it and at first it looks just like a wolf but after the DNA from the scat was sent it, it was a confirmed hybrid. Our laws here are most dogs that are caught chasing wildlife are shot, don't see why this would be any different.

If that is correct in your Tribes laws then shoot away if they've been identified as being hybrids and the State or Feds don't recognize hybrids it isn't a problem.

[PlateauNDN]

That map shows nothing about wolves in the klickitat area.  That is the only place in WA I have seen one with my own eyes.    Is that because it is not considered a pack or because noone is recognizing that they are there?

According to WDFW, they need anyone seeing wolves in areas like the Klickitat to document it, photographs if possible of tracks, animals, etc.... and send them the information.  To document a pack, or that there is a viable breeding pair in an area, they must go in and collar the wolves, and track them, gather info, etc....  They still claim they have never "Planted" wolves anywhere but the Lookout pack, and that even the Teanaway pack is former members of the Lookout Pack that just wandered off.

Ya there was no way I could have gotten a picture... it was gone before we could process what had happened.  I should have took pics of the prints though    All they have to do is talk with the farmers in the area though.  I talked with a couple in the area I saw this one and they said they see them in their fields 1-2 times per year.

Are you able to provide some details as to the location of your sightings?  if not on here then PM?  I've gotten some 3rd party info. that suggests there have been a sighting or two down in the Klickitat area and i'd like to see how close they are.

[humanure]

It's not hard for typical people to mistake coyotes, hybrids and other animals for wolves, to the naked, untrained eye. I've had people swear on their lives that a few of my German Shepherds were wolves(which I just don't see how).

For officials, its easy to tell is a creature is a wolf or a hybrid. Spec's being the stance, the chest and the feet.

[hirshey]

It's not hard for typical people to mistake coyotes, hybrids and other animals for wolves, to the naked, untrained eye. I've had people swear on their lives that a few of my German Shepherds were wolves(which I just don't see how).

For officials, its easy to tell is a creature is a wolf or a hybrid. Spec's being the stance, the chest and the feet.

I would have to respectfully disagree.. There was no mistaking a wolf versus a coyote the multiple times I have encountered them here in Washington.. And I would be considered "untrained".

[WAcoyotehunter]

People mistake them ALL THE TIME.  People see what they want to see.  If we made a wolf report on the OP there would be a dozen other false sightings by the end of the week

[hirshey]

People mistake them ALL THE TIME.  People see what they want to see.  If we made a wolf report on the OP there would be a dozen other false sightings by the end of the week

Yes people make mistakes... But to discount the folks spending the most time in the woods is also a mistake. That's why I stressed photographic evidence... Sometimes the opportunity to take photos simply doesn't exist; that doesn't mean that the sighting shouldn't hold some clout, though.

[hirshey]

Nice to see them give a nod to the blues... I know a few people with photos of wolves down there.

[PlateauNDN]

Hybrid puppy mills ?   get friggin real.   That card has been over played and needs to go.  It's the default go to card for those that are mindless enough to believe everything they are told.......TOTAL BS  gullable people suck



Are you saying they are not real?  I took me 30 seconds on google to identify 6 different breeders that sale Hybrid pups.  I'm sure if I was really interested, I could find MANY more.   

Here you go, this one took about 10 seconds to find.
http://www.wolfhybridpuppies.com/wolf-hybrid-dog-puppies-for-sale-state-list/wolf-hybrid-dog-puppies-for-sale-in-washington

http://www.wolfzone1.com/

I can keep going...

Just to add some to this, I picked up the "giant nickel" and I recall seeing an add for hybrid pups during the last publication from the Tri-Cities area and now the current issue has hybrid pups for sale in the Tieton area, so it would seem they are easily accessible.

[boneaddict]

Funny thing is, I posted a photo of the seven in the lookout pack, and had half the board swear they were coyotes.   Yeah right.  Some folks will never have a clue.   There is a coyote track, a dog track and a wolf track.   There is a coyote, and a wolf.   Hybrids I do think could be confusing.  All depends on the percentage I'd imagine.   Hell we have housecats coming up here all the time as bobcats.

[jackelope]

People mistake them ALL THE TIME.  People see what they want to see.  If we made a wolf report on the OP there would be a dozen other false sightings by the end of the week

Hey Bart-
Post the hybrid pics you posted a year or 3 ago!

[humanure]

Hybrids are something the government needs to address. Not only for the liability, but the harder it makes for those in charge to deal with the wolf situation. Same with the pure wolf puppy mills in Idaho.

[Caseyd]

Funny thing is, I posted a photo of the seven in the lookout pack, and had half the board swear they were coyotes.   Yeah right.  Some folks will never have a clue.   There is a coyote track, a dog track and a wolf track.   There is a coyote, and a wolf.   Hybrids I do think could be confusing.  All depends on the percentage I'd imagine.   Hell we have housecats coming up here all the time as bobcats.

That was a big house cat though