Bills that Failed

[jdurham]

From Senator Bob Morton,
LOSS
[/b]: Classification of predatory wildlife by region Senate Bill 6136 and House Bill 2214 would have allowed citizens to petition the state Fish and Wildlife Commission to change the classification of endangered, threatened or sensitive species on a regional basis. The bill’s primary species of concern is the Canadian gray wolf, which is reestablishing a presence in the northern third of Eastern Washington.
Rep. Joel Kretz and I sponsored these bills on behalf of Eastern Washington ranchers who fear our region could be overrun by wolves and livestock predation very high before lethal management tools become available. Hunters also expressed support for the bill during the hearing to prevent game herds, such as elk, from being decimated by wolves

[villageidiot]

This is typical in Washington.  The West Side tells the East side what to do.  This bill clearly ask only to let the East side rural people control predators so they could still survive.  The West siders very clearly stated by failing this bill that   THEY COULDN'T CARE LESS.   The cattlemen will not starve themselves but would prefer to be legal citizens in protecting their livestock.   They are now forced to go underground and become criminals or DIE.   You can't blame them!

[jdurham]

This is typical in Washington.  The West Side tells the East side what to do.  This bill clearly ask only to let the East side rural people control predators so they could still survive.  The West siders very clearly stated by failing this bill that   THEY COULDN'T CARE LESS.   The cattlemen will not starve themselves but would prefer to be legal citizens in protecting their livestock.   They are now forced to go underground and become criminals or DIE.   You can't blame them!

Most of the people in western WA. probably believe meat is something that is manufactured and not raised on a farm. 99.9% of the people that want the wolf here will never venture out to find one.  They just "feel better" knowing they are here!  Idaho has shortened Elk season and eliminated Cow seasons.  They say in 5 years max there will be no moose seasons.

[Tom Tamer]

  That's the goal of the " Pro-wolf" this is how they will ban hunting. They have seen through the courts that they can not get rid of hunting or our guns, so this is their method now. They care not one for animals, look at PETA and how they kill most of the pets they take in. They only care about some Leftist utopian world, and people theat raise or hunt their own food would be terribly hard to control how they see fit

[humanure]

Thats a bit of a gross generalization. I'm a hunter and a farmer, yet I am active in the controversy and don't see any agenda in the banning of hunting. What I am seeing is some extreme environmentalists among others who are thinking with common sense. I meet alot of other hunters as well who welcome an extra challenge to overcome(the sportsmen) and others who see the benefit of the herd being thinned out a bit(survival hunters). Because as we've seen, human managed elk herds has not been good to the quality of the elk meat or the effect they have on the land. I may not have been hunting as long as ya'll, but I've been around hunting all my life and have seen alot. What really burns my hide is the hunters we meet at elk camps who say the stupidest stuff ever, "First the damn natives want to tell us when and where to hunt, now we have to worry about wolves? I say git rid of them both...". I can't stand to see people like that ruin to good tradition of hunting with ignorance.

[Tom Tamer]

Thats a bit of a gross generalization. I'm a hunter and a farmer, yet I am active in the controversy and don't see any agenda in the banning of hunting. What I am seeing is some extreme environmentalists among others who are thinking with common sense. I meet alot of other hunters as well who welcome an extra challenge to overcome(the sportsmen) and others who see the benefit of the herd being thinned out a bit(survival hunters). Because as we've seen, human managed elk herds has not been good to the quality of the elk meat or the effect they have on the land. I may not have been hunting as long as ya'll, but I've been around hunting all my life and have seen alot. What really burns my hide is the hunters we meet at elk camps who say the stupidest stuff ever, "First the damn natives want to tell us when and where to hunt, now we have to worry about wolves? I say git rid of them both...". I can't stand to see people like that ruin to good tradition of hunting with ignorance.

 While I can agree, definitely with you about the stupid comments,and can see some merit of the management, part I still see the enviromentalist and anti_hunters using this as a way to do away with hunting. A good chunk of those folks do not want hunting, know that the majority of America doesn't mind it, and this is one tool they can use to help their agenda.I've seen comments from those type, where they were glad that Wolves got them and not some mean cruel human. I can interpret that in no other way then " Screw you because you don't agree with me" attitude.I hope I'm wrong, but have little faith in the Liberals towant anything other than their way of life be EVERYONE'S way of life. I feel it's more social engineering. My two cents.

[Special T]

This is the fight that wee need to have, both on the Fed level andd state. the feds state that the wolves are not endangered in the NE corner of the state, yet the state want the numbers to increase.    This is the core problem, the rest are just details to fill an argument.

[humanure]

I find that last thing you said to be stupidly true. Saying one corner of the state is of a different status is just *censored*-footing around, playing the waiting game.

[Whitpirate]

Thats a bit of a gross generalization. I'm a hunter and a farmer, yet I am active in the controversy and don't see any agenda in the banning of hunting. What I am seeing is some extreme environmentalists among others who are thinking with common sense. I meet alot of other hunters as well who welcome an extra challenge to overcome(the sportsmen) and others who see the benefit of the herd being thinned out a bit(survival hunters). Because as we've seen, human managed elk herds has not been good to the quality of the elk meat or the effect they have on the land. I may not have been hunting as long as ya'll, but I've been around hunting all my life and have seen alot. What really burns my hide is the hunters we meet at elk camps who say the stupidest stuff ever, "First the damn natives want to tell us when and where to hunt, now we have to worry about wolves? I say git rid of them both...". I can't stand to see people like that ruin to good tradition of hunting with ignorance.

Let's count the "hey I'm really one of you guys"  Think of it in video form with a DING for every "I'm really one of you guys" this guy uses.

Hunter and Farm *ding ding* hunting as long as ya'll *ding* but I've been around hunting my whole life *ding* and seen alot *ding* burns my hide *ding* and elk camps *ding* damn natives *ding you racist *censored** good tradition *ding*

The ding bat wins.  I wish we had a block poster function on this board so I wouldn't have to wade through this guy's tailings.

So I'm clear humanure you are F.O.S.

[JimmyHoffa]

I wish we had a block poster function on this board so I wouldn't have to wade through this guy's tailings.

There is an ignore function.  It is in Profile -- Modify Profile -- Ignore. 
Been coming in handy for the bigfoot thread.

[Special T]

humanure, you misunderstand me. State lines are arbitrary to the feds bios, so why are they important for us? All the thing's said about wolves, needing continuous range, yadda yadda, make the NE corner part of the Rockies not the cascades.
So by your logic should we not be allowed to contoll any wolves in the Rockies because they are not in the whole Cascades?