Triple Seven

[jbeaumont21]

So I went to Whole Sale sports today to pick up some Triple Seven powder and the guy working the gun counter told me that he spoke with a Hodgdon rep who said that the Triple Seven was intended to only be used with the 209 primer.  He also said that if used with a musket primer or a number 11 primer you will have a greater risk of a misfire.  I then went to Hodgdon's website and here's what it says " Use Triple Seven only in a 209 primer ignition system."  http://www.hodgdon.com/ml-warning.html   
My question is why in the hell do they sell the stuff everywhere if it is intended for a 209 primer which we can't even use in Washington??  For those of you who use Triple Seven in WA, how does it perform?  Is it worth risking a misfire on an elk to have an easier time cleaning the gun?

[fair-chase]

Are we talking about pellets or loose powder? The article listed is specifically talking about pellets, so that might be where the variation lies. Were you inquiring about pellets or loose powder?

[jackelope]

 

I've heard 777 pellets do not work well with non-209 primers but I'm using loose 777 with no issues.

[50CalJim]

I've been using Triple 7 powder with #11 caps for years & I've never had an issue.

[buckman202]

always used 777 loose with never an issue.

[Whitelightning]

T7 Loose has NO issues with #11 or Musket caps never has, only issue can be the crude ring. T7 and Most ALL Pellets are designed to be used with 209 ignition, the (glue) product used to hold the powder in the pellet shape makes the powder harder to ignite thus the need for the 209. Pellets also seem to be more susceptible to moisture. I have used T7 for years in all kinds of weather and have Never had a misfire. T7 typically will give very consistant results.

[Timberstalker]

I have used Triple 7 PELLETS with a musket cap for the past 3 years and I have not had a problem whatsoever.

[jbeaumont21]

According to the Hodgdon rep even the loose powder is meant to only be used with the 209 primer.  He said that it does not ignite as well as the pyrodex when using a number 11 or musket primer. I'm glad to hear that none of you have had any issues using it.  I am going to call Hodgdon customer service tomorrow to get some clarification and will let you know what they say. Hopefully they just mean the pellets.

[jbeaumont21]

I have always just used the pyrodex powder but thought I would look into using the Triple Seven because of how little residue it leaves and how easy it is supposed to be to clean out of the gun.

[BullMagnet76]

I use 150 grains of pyrodex with a mucket cap.  I tried that 777 and it did not fire immediately there was a delay.  Never had any issues with pyrodex, works awsome

[huntnnw]

i use musket caps and loose T7 and have never had a issue

[dawhunt]

I've used 777 for awhile now (loose) and have never had any proplems with it .He must have been talking about the pellets Which store were you in

Bob

[jbeaumont21]

Hey all, sorry to start a thread with misinformation.  I spoke with a Hodgdon tech this morning and he said that the loose powder is perfectly fine to be used with a number 11 and musket primer and it is just the pellets that need to be used with the 209.  I think the guy at Whole Sale Sports in Vancouver was also misinformed.  My apologies if I got anyone worked up over this, it was not my intention. Consider us to better educated now.  I think I will be making a trip back to Wholesale to pick me up some T7 and educate the guy at the gun counter.

[Sabotloader]

Hey all, sorry to start a thread with misinformation.  I spoke with a Hodgdon tech this morning and he said that the loose powder is perfectly fine to be used with a number 11 and musket primer and it is just the pellets that need to be used with the 209.  I think the guy at Whole Sale Sports in Vancouver was also misinformed.  My apologies if I got anyone worked up over this, it was not my intention. Consider us to better educated now.  I think I will be making a trip back to Wholesale to pick me up some T7 and educate the guy at the gun counter.

The only thing I might add in this conversation and I have been using T7 since it showed up with caps... I really would make sure that you indicate #11 Mag Caps versus the regular #11 cap, ALTHOUGH, the rgular #11 will work just fine in warmer weather.  Another point I might make is I have change to t7-3f in my cap guns, it will ignite a bit easier than does T7-2f especially at temps below -10*.  A lot of the heat produced by the #11 mag and Musket (which do produce the same temperatures) caps is absorbed by the cold metal of the nipple and BP, at these negative temperatures especially after spending several hours out in it.., so at times not enough heat can reach the powder itself.

I shoot Rondy events all spring and summer with a regular #11 cap from my Renegades...
 

[JimmyHoffa]

I wonder if Wholesale passed down some bad training about 777?  I went to the one in Silverdale and asked to see what magnum rifle primers were available and the guy brought me boxes of 777 pellets.  Kept saying that they were 'primers'.