lt murray late permit hunt

[coachcw]

No doubt from what I've seen in 340 and 342 that the mucks have ffffd it up , things that make me wanna puke . My concern with the wdfw doing anything about it is that they feel there hads are tied , being that it's agreements between the tribes . I would see the tribes push for enforcement.

[cem3434]

PlateauNDN,

You are obviously very educated, so look it up. If I had questions about the Yakama Tribe, then I would research it for myself.  If you want to be arrogant and your only purpose is to just try to make me look stupid, then I'm not going to lower myself to your level.  If you want to have an intelligent conversation or debate, then I am more than willing to engage.

My Grandmother on my Mothers' side was half Blackfoot and my Mothers' family is from Montana.   As I said previously, I don't embrace the culture and traditions of the Tribe, so I don't know a lot about the people.  With that being said, I started hunting at an early age and it is part of my culture and traditions.

I haven't been living under a rock, but  I think you are misinterpreting my message.  What I was trying to convey, is there are very few Native people left who are of pure blood in comparison to the number of people that are members of the tribe.  I am sure with a little research and effort, I could get a card that proves that I am of Native blood, but what would that accomplish for me?  I think several guys that are in my position exploit the system for the sake of their benefit. 

As far as people choosing to live without power, well that is there God given right.  I'm not going to judge someone that chooses that lifestyle for themselves, but I know a few white people that chose to live without power so does that make them any better than the rest of us? Just because you chose to live your life a certain way doesn't mean that you should be entitled to greater or lesser treatment than the next man. 

Natives and Nonnatives (married in, adopted, etc) that hunt with Natives poach animals too.  I'm not calling all Tribal hunters poachers, but there are several Tribal hunters that ARE poachers.  Don't preach to me about spikes being shot and left and don't be so ignorant or naive to think that Native hunters don't poach just as much as ALL other hunters.  I have seen Natives shoot up a heard of elk hitting bulls, cows and calves and then only take the bulls that they could get their trucks to.  We reported them to WDFW and they said there was nothing they could do. 

As far as my uncle goes, he got in a lot of trouble when he lived on the Reservation.  He chose a different path for his life and decided to conform to the standard, which took him away from the Reservation when he was about 20 years old.  I have never questioned him about it nor would I ever because every man has to live with his choices and I would never disrespect my Uncle in that way. I have seen several pictures from hunting in his youth when he partook in Tribal hunts and they slaughtered elk.  When he was 16 years old, he harvested 2 very nice bulls in the same weekend.  I think all told, his hunting party that harvested a total of 7 bulls that weekend and they were all Yakama Nation members.

I agree with your last statement, with some exceptions.  If the Tribes don't modify the Treaties, then who is going to protect OUR wildlife from the Native hunters that go to far because they can? I know you wont agree with my last statement, but all the guys that pay for licenses every year do just as much or more as Natives for conservation so they are all of OUR elk and not just the Tribes  Secondly, it is a sport, way of life, culture, heritage and tradition. It is a sport because none of us have to kill animals any longer and we all could go buy meat out of the store. Just because you are active in the Yakama Tribe, that doesn't mean that the choice to hunt is any more sacred to your culture and tradition than mine!

I grew up hunting just like you, so to say that the hunting isn't a way of life or part of the culture and tradition to myself or others not affiliated with the tribe is ludicrous.  If you truly feel this way then you are a very ignorant individual.  Just because I don't practice the same cultural events and traditions as you, doesn't mean that its not part of my culture, tradition, heritage and who I am as an individual.

[igotbigbulls]

this is weird. i think you might be mistaken the Wapato family who lived at wapato point who were a band of Colvilles. is this the Wapato Tribe your talking about?

[royalbull]

Its pretty difficult if you're not familiar with Tribes but an easy indicator is becoming more and more common around here, our new Yakama Nation license plates which are for Yakama Members only.  Also, if they mention they have a permit then they're not Yakama because Yakamas don't require any permits.  I usually just ask right off the back if they don't look Yakama.  Also, this year our Tribal Leaders issued a letter to the Mucks and WDFW to halt all permits and illegal hunting in our territories or face lawsuits.  I haven't inquired as to the responses but from what they told me is they're serious and ready to move forward if they don't comply.  So that means their all open game if I see them.

this would be nice if all tribes used tribal plates then I would no for sure I see alot of tribal members hunting in 346 and I believe most are from the west side

[cem3434]

No, she was from Oregon.  According to my Mother, the Wapato people were a spin off of  or were part of the Tualatin Tribe.  Thats about all I know about the Tribe. I do know that my Father's entire family was from Oregon, so she wasnt from anywhere around Colville.

[Killmore]

Is there a harvest report that the public can view from the tribes? Just curious

[PlateauNDN]

Well cem, when you've heard it all on here from fictitious info to bogus claims then yes, as many stated to me before if you can't provide the info. or a legitimate source then its not accurate and false.  I've never heard of the Wapato clan or tribe and from what I just read according to records they've all but died or bred themselves out of the last remaining members.  It was an interesting read and I just learned some new info. So thanks.  I don't mind debating if you've ever followed a thread I've debated in.  I do have some info regarding harvest reports but I can't post from my cell the actual links.  I can tomorrow if you don't mind waiting.  Also if westside Tribes have been seen this year on this side of the mts. Can you provide any details of the incidents?  Any info will help? 

[sled]

  I would love to see your harvest info plat.  Thanks.  Looking forward to it.

[coachcw]

I talked to three different mucks that where road hunting in robinson canyon the first week of december . they where dressed like they where headed to a soccer game not hunting , Atleast We where able to save some elk that day since we spooked them off the roads early . Not one of them got outta there truck and even glassed a canyon let alone hiked one ( evidence from the lack of boot tracks . Close the gates to walk in only mid Nov and you will all but cure the problem there.

[PlateauNDN]

  I would love to see your harvest info plat.  Thanks.  Looking forward to it.

This is only representative of the West side Tribes as they report to the Northwest Indian Fisheries Commission which oversees all the Treaty Tribes in Western Washington.  This is their 2010-2011 big game harvest report.

http://nwifc.org/w/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2011/08/big-game-harvest-report-2010to2011.pdf

I talked to three different mucks that where road hunting in robinson canyon the first week of december . they where dressed like they where headed to a soccer game not hunting , Atleast We where able to save some elk that day since we spooked them off the roads early   . Not one of them got outta there truck and even glassed a canyon let alone hiked one   ( evidence from the lack of boot tracks . Close the gates to walk in only mid Nov and you will all but cure the problem there.   I agree, close gates and you'll spare more wildlife.

Thanks coach for the info. I'll be sure to pass that along.

[igotbigbulls]

Good read and info. 

[Killmore]

Thanks Plateaundn.

[coachcw]

plat , thanks for the efforts !

[cem3434]

Good read and info.

Agreed, thanks for the info!

[hunterrcc]

Yep the tags have been reduced because of the increase in native harvest. I agree the gate should be closed as soon as the special permit season is over. If this doesn't work we need to do away with the special permits and close it after the general elk season. It is a shame to have to close it down early but I see no alternative. The animals got hammered last year by natives in December.

2nd this!!!  you know how I feel about this!