Down goes illuminated nocks!

[huntnphool]

What is primitive about today's archery equipment?

Exactly.  And that is the attitude that will cost you and every other bowhunter days in the woods.

 WDFW and the commission have NEVER given archery hunters an ultimatum that they draw a line on electronics or lose days in the field, just more scare tactics by those against luminoks.

[MDGrand]

I have taken probably a half hour reading this entire thread... Seems like we have some pretty respectful back and forth opinions.

Bottom line in my eyes... It came down to a few people who REALLY make the decisions on the WDFW board wanting to ignore the wants of what MOST WA bowhunters in WA want.

Fact: 80% of the people polled wanted luminocks, only 20% did not. When well over 2/3rds of congress votes yes, even the president can't veto a bill... but here in the good ol state of WA on the board of WDFW... they get to be selfish.

As they stated:

“The commission has struggled with the issue of allowing new technologies in hunting,” Wecker said. “It raises questions of fair chase, equal opportunity among hunters and the very tradition of the sport. The commission has to uphold those standards, and some of us believe we have to draw the line at the use of electronics.”

My thoughts are that for those 80% that voted yes... that we form another petition and we also before presenting ask WHO on the board of WDFW veto'd this obvious statement of what the majority wanted in WA. Especially when they have the authority to over-rulo the majority, they should have to say WHO they are so we know WHO to call out and ask they be dismissed.

BTW... if it was 80/20 the other way... I would feel the same. Ignoring what the majority wants should be grounds for dismissal especially when it comes to government regulations.

 

[pianoman9701]

I respectfully disagree MD. The rule making process of the DFW isn't a democracy.  Your comparison to Congress is invalid. They may ask for opinions but that doesn't mean they have to go with whatever the majority decides. It's not a vote. That's what the wildlife commission is for, to make the rules. As I've said before, I told them my vote was for the nocks, but with it being turned down, I move on to other, more important issues. Some people will be stuck on this one issue and not see some really important ones go down the road. I'm much more concerned with increased/decreased hunting opportunities, predator management, poaching arrests and convictions. The nock thing seems a little bit trivial.

[MDGrand]

Pianoman,

I would agree that the DFW is not a democracy.. in fact, I dont believe that we have a democracy at ALL in the US. The politicians run this country as they see fit and care little for the people they represent... They care for themeselves and their party as that is their little club that gives permission to live at an exception to the rest of us. Just like the Senators in ancient Rome cared more about their estates, mistresses and $, the government is that way. The DFW and their current stance on ignoring the wants of the majority is an example of that. So you are right, I totally agree... the DFW is not a democracy.

That being said... the assumption and the hope that we are still a democratic society keeps the fire burning in the hopes of change.... so, with that I will offer the following...

Either way you slice it, ASKING the people for their opinion and getting an overwhelming "yes" reponse and ignoring it... is wrong. And the very fact that they DID ask for feedback screams that they follow the same traditional American philosophy of "putting it up to a vote" Meaning...The DFW opened the perception of being a democratic run organization. Not me and not the other people that gave feedback. So, my comparision to Congres is valid as the lie we are told in this country is founded on the fact that the people have the power, not the government. Am I wrong? I am as the DFW proved they have the power, not the people.

Moreover, since they are a government run ogranization and not part of a military or defense related department, it means we as citizens get to have oversight (to tell you the truth we are entitled to oversight there too, but that is another topic and I have to admit.. I am going a bit over the top here ). Oversight means we should get to know the people on the board of the WDFW and notify our local congressman of their biased and selfish positions when it comes to the issues put to a popular opinion within the state.

Will that do anything? Probably not.  As again, I know we don't live in a democratic society.. and as long as we don't poeple will continue to break the rules and do things according to their own conscience vs. the law of the land. For example.... I know a lot of hunters who have 1 luminock in the quiver and also cover their #11 ignition on thier muzzy with fingernail polish. Both, unless visibily inspected or whitnessed when the shot occurs are difficult to detect.

[Machias]

Unrelated to the nock issue and not trying to be an ass, but we've never been and hopefully never will be a democracy.

[Fullabull]

The people should be able to see who on the commission voted yes or no on all subjects... Anyone know if that is true? I think it is a good idea for them to show that...

[Curly]

The people should be able to see who on the commission voted yes or no on all subjects... Anyone know if that is true? I think it is a good idea for them to show that...

Should be able to find out somehow.  But I'm not sure it really matters.  With the commission members being appointed by the governor, what good would it do to know how each member votes?

Like Special T said, the best thing we can do is vote McKenna in office this November.

[Fullabull]

I would say because how would the Governor know how their appointees are doing unless the people provide feedback. If enough people complain about certain appointees, maybe they will get replaced No person or process should ever go unchecked and reviewed for performance. If there is no one provided feedback, they look like they are doing the perfect job.

[Curly]

Good points.

[huntnphool]

 One more reason to get Rob McKenna in office rather than another liberal in Jay Inslee.

[Special T]

Not that I think all republicans are as clean as the wind driven snow, but.... This state has been run by democrate governors for how long???   Way too long.  We are 27 years into a Democratic control of the state.  What ever the issue is, what the Democrate governors have been doing isn't really helping us...  I think its pretty hard to justify being  excited about a party when you have to go back over 35 years to find a democrat Governor that you either admired or accepted. 

[Machias]

One more reason to get Rob McKenna in office rather than another liberal in Jay Inslee.

You are aware Mr. McKenna is a hard core Traditional Archery guy, right?

[Special T]

Where did you read that Machias? I'm curious...

[Machias]

No where I was just poking huntnphool. 

[pianoman9701]

One more reason to get Rob McKenna in office rather than another liberal in Jay Inslee.

The NRA gave Jay Inslee an F rating.