Down goes illuminated nocks!

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Great reply.Some of the newer archery hunters are so attracted to new pretty shiny things they do not understand  (or do not care) by allowing more technology into primitive seasons that our season will be shortened or cancelled.

You could be right. If my 26 years of flingin arrows isn't enough to give me an opinion than let me know how many more I need before I get one.

Can you please let everyone know, especially archers, what it is that archers will be losing for time in the field, opportunity, or  canceled seasons when this is approved?

Don't you see by now that it's not enough to just say something to make it true?

I am not a flippin' fortune teller. But look to the east for clues; no controls what-so-ever on electronic gadgets in many places, crossbows in nineteen states. Those places didn't start with all that crap in general bowhunting seasons; they showed up one at a time. Unless you are selling archery gadgets I just don't understand what you stand to gain to push for change. 

I appreciate you acknowledging that you aren't a fortune teller because sometimes it's hard to see through your prophecies of demise and doom of archery as we know it. Your knowledge of the nationwide regs is again, baffling fun facts. You cherry pick a stat that will suit your position and put it forth like it supports your dire predictions. Many of these "States Gone Wild" have huge populations and a need to increase harvest rates. Consider also that in many of these states, vehicles kill more deer annually than we have in this entire state. Yet even in these states you can still hunt with a recurve or longbow, anyway you chose...each to their own.
Folks in these states spend a lot less time tellin other folks what they should and shouldn't do.

Crossbows have been discussed and rules made that fit this state so to use that argument is just another scare tactic. Every new issue also comes up in this state and they are discussed and decided one at a time... just like this one.   

As for what I gain for pushing change? That's just it... nothing. That is, nothing beyond the knowledge that when the archer voice is requested on an issue, the voice that's heard does in fact represent all archers, not just a few loud ones.

[Matt]

As for what I gain for pushing change? That's just it... nothing. That is, nothing beyond the knowledge that when the archer voice is requested on an issue, the voice that's heard does in fact represent all archers, not just a few loud ones.

Here is a question that I would like answered but only if it is a factual answer.  Beings how you seem to be very knowledgable regarding this subject.  Was it the voices of thousands of archers that requested lighted nocks?  And through the screaming for them the WDFW felt it necessary to put it to a poll? 

Up until the last year or so I never even heard anyone voice that it should be legalized.  Sure there were a few that thought they were cool but not to the extent that they demanded their legalization.

Now this is just hearsay but from what I have gathered there is someone on the committee that has a friend that has friends that would benefit financially from the legalization of electronics on archery equipment in this state.  Now I am far from saying that this is fact and I hope that isn't how this issue came to be so popular.  But in my very limited and small archery world I did not hear from other archers that it was such a dramatic issue.

[NWWABOWHNTR]

Matt,
check out my new signature......

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Matt,
check out my new signature......

Same reason I haven't jumped into this debate.

[NWWABOWHNTR]

Yours is mighty fitting too!   

[Lowedog]

Matt,
check out my new signature......

Same reason I haven't jumped into this debate.

Till now...   

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As for what I gain for pushing change? That's just it... nothing. That is, nothing beyond the knowledge that when the archer voice is requested on an issue, the voice that's heard does in fact represent all archers, not just a few loud ones.

Here is a question that I would like answered but only if it is a factual answer.  Beings how you seem to be very knowledgable regarding this subject.  Was it the voices of thousands of archers that requested lighted nocks?  And through the screaming for them the WDFW felt it necessary to put it to a poll? 

Up until the last year or so I never even heard anyone voice that it should be legalized.  Sure there were a few that thought they were cool but not to the extent that they demanded their legalization.

Now this is just hearsay but from what I have gathered there is someone on the committee that has a friend that has friends that would benefit financially from the legalization of electronics on archery equipment in this state.  Now I am far from saying that this is fact and I hope that isn't how this issue came to be so popular.  But in my very limited and small archery world I did not hear from other archers that it was such a dramatic issue.

I've responded truthfully and factually to everything that's been asked. My understanding is the proposal was put to the department as a request from a sportsman and after department review it was added to the public review process. That's how the process works. And reviewed it was. Who actually filed the request, don't know the man beyond his testimony to the commission. I do know that he answered to all the trumped up claims of the opposition that your referring too, at the commission meeting. If you want to know what he said, give it a listen. Careful not to drink the koolaid until you know who made it, you never know what they might of put in it.     

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Matt,
check out my new signature......

Fitting reminder as we consider your posts. Now how about those details on the 10,000 signatures filled with commission?

[Matt]

I've responded truthfully and factually to everything that's been asked. My understanding is the proposal was put to the department as a request from a sportsman and after department review it was added to the public review process. That's how the process works. And reviewed it was. Who actually filed the request, don't know the man beyond his testimony to the commission. I do know that he answered to all the trumped up claims of the opposition that your referring too, at the commission meeting. If you want to know what he said, give it a listen. Careful not to drink the koolaid until you know who made it, you never know what they might of put in it.     

In bold kind of backs what I have heard.  Like you said it was presented by "A" sportsman.  And if true this sportsman had friends that would greatly benefit from these becoming legal.  No where does the request of one person gain such considerartion unless there is some other source of backing.  Think about it.  WHere is all of this coming from because I didn't see it.

As for all the name calling and what not c'mon gow up.  Like the request for 10,000 signatures I too want facts.  Not just the ones that support it's passage but was this proposal even brought about in an ethical way.  Lobbyists should be placed next to poachers neither one has the interest of hunters or the resource that we hunt.

[Fullabull]

From what I can see from following this post there are two groups here, one that is afraid to push because they feel they will lose what they have and the other who believes the only way to get what you feel is right is to push. Just different ways of thinking, not that either is right.

Personally, I am tired of how the archers are being treeting here in WA and I believe that is because to many are afraid to speak up. That is why MF is taking over and getting so many changes in their favor. Just MHO...

[pianoman9701]

From what I can see from following this post there are two groups here, one that is afraid to push because they feel they will lose what they have and the other who believes the only way to get what you feel is right is to push. Just different ways of thinking, not that either is right.

Personally, I am tired of how the archers are being treeting here in WA and I believe that is because to many are afraid to speak up. That is why MF is taking over and getting so many changes in their favor. Just MHO...

MF get more of what they want because there are more of them. Going along with MF is the path of least resistance. The state did this when they restricted cougar hunting during archery season. They didn't restrict bear seasons during archery because there were too many bear hunters. Path of least resistance.

The argument that more technology means less days to hunt isn't supported by science, especially with the ilumenock. The DFW has even gone as far to say that elk and deer populations are at historically high levels, when they announced this year that they were increasing the number of multi-season tags. There should be no need to cut hunting days for advancements in technology. That may be in the imagination of the more "traditional" archers in this state, or if it exists, it may exist because it was suggested and the state grabbed onto it as policy.

[huntnphool]

 Nice buck for the young man that made the cover shot on the hunting regs this year, I wonder how many of those arrows missing from his quiver would have been found if he had been using luminoks.

[Matt]

Nice buck for the young man that made the cover shot on the hunting regs this year, I wonder how many of those arrows missing from his quiver would have been found if he had been using luminoks.

More intelleigent and scientific comments.  I'm glad that we have gotten past sarcasm.  Maybe that kid practices enough that he only needs 2 arrows.  Besides what are luminocks gonna do melt through that 8" of snow so that you can find them?  They must burn hot and bright.

[Snapshot]

Nice buck for the young man that made the cover shot on the hunting regs this year, I wonder how many of those arrows missing from his quiver would have been found if he had been using luminoks.

That comes across as a diversion...steers the reader to consider the gloom and doom prophesy of lost broadheads being stepped on and causing injury. Maybe there is a fortune teller on the forum, and he is huntnphool. [And maybe I am not alone in "always diverting the questions, and attempting to change the subject." Hmm?]

And speaking of diversions, my big brother uses a three-arrow quiver or a four-arrow quiver. He never carries more because selective shooters don't require a quiver that holds a dozen arrows. I imagine the youth on the cover to be cut out of that mold.

[Fullabull]

I hope this works, I attached a pic of Elk harvest stats with a couple other added stats. This is more of what archers should be arguing about more so than lighted nocks...