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Re: Down goes illuminated nocks!
« Reply #285 on: May 01, 2012, 01:59:01 PM »
Fullabull wrote: "I hope this works, I attached a pic of Elk harvest stats with a couple other added stats. This is more of what archers should be arguing about more so than lighted nocks..."

And I agree wholeheartedly.
I'd just like to remind everybody that it's about the hunting, not just the killing. In other words, it's about the total experience, the sport itself and the challenge involved. Bowhunting, done right, is a justifiable and honorable pursuit. Done for the wrong reasons, simply chalking up kills and seeking personal glory, it's taking away rather than giving back to a principled way of life that has to be experienced to be understood. G.StCharles

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Re: Down goes illuminated nocks!
« Reply #286 on: May 01, 2012, 02:03:43 PM »
The numbers are a touch off.  Our actual success rate is closer to 7.4%.  They Only use the numbers from turned in reports and not total licences sold.  We also only get 10.5% of all issued permits, we have 21.5% of all licences sold compaired to only 12.9% ML and they get 27.5% of the permits.  We do harvest 54.5% of all the cows but only 19.3% of the antlered.
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Re: Down goes illuminated nocks!
« Reply #287 on: May 01, 2012, 02:27:44 PM »
Matt, that is how they make the numbers look more equal to the MF hunters. Allow archers to take more cows but provide MF with a ton more antlered opportunities. The complaint of archers taking more mature bulls is even more bogus.

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Re: Down goes illuminated nocks!
« Reply #288 on: May 01, 2012, 02:35:44 PM »
Quote from: link=topic=96267.msg1256289#msg1256289 date=1335902193

That comes across as a diversion...steers the reader to consider the gloom and doom prophesy of lost broadheads being stepped on and causing injury.

 Says the man using "doom and gloom" tactics to equate luminoks with lost days in the field, oh the hypocrisy of it all! :chuckle:
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Re: Down goes illuminated nocks!
« Reply #289 on: May 01, 2012, 02:43:42 PM »
Quote from: link=topic=96267.msg1256289#msg1256289 date=1335902193

That comes across as a diversion...steers the reader to consider the gloom and doom prophesy of lost broadheads being stepped on and causing injury.

 Says the man using "doom and gloom" tactics to equate luminoks with lost days in the field, oh the hypocrisy of it all! :chuckle:

Egads, phool, I took the diversion page from your book...(post #263) :chuckle:
I'd just like to remind everybody that it's about the hunting, not just the killing. In other words, it's about the total experience, the sport itself and the challenge involved. Bowhunting, done right, is a justifiable and honorable pursuit. Done for the wrong reasons, simply chalking up kills and seeking personal glory, it's taking away rather than giving back to a principled way of life that has to be experienced to be understood. G.StCharles

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Re: Down goes illuminated nocks!
« Reply #290 on: May 01, 2012, 03:33:03 PM »
I've responded truthfully and factually to everything that's been asked. My understanding is the proposal was put to the department as a request from a sportsman and after department review it was added to the public review process. That's how the process works. And reviewed it was. Who actually filed the request, don't know the man beyond his testimony to the commission. I do know that he answered to all the trumped up claims of the opposition that your referring too, at the commission meeting. If you want to know what he said, give it a listen. Careful not to drink the koolaid until you know who made it, you never know what they might of put in it.     

In bold kind of backs what I have heard.  Like you said it was presented by "A" sportsman.  And if true this sportsman had friends that would greatly benefit from these becoming legal.  No where does the request of one person gain such considerartion unless there is some other source of backing.  Think about it.  WHere is all of this coming from because I didn't see it.

As for all the name calling and what not c'mon gow up.  Like the request for 10,000 signatures I too want facts.  Not just the ones that support it's passage but was this proposal even brought about in an ethical way.  Lobbyists should be placed next to poachers neither one has the interest of hunters or the resource that we hunt.

I didn't figure you really wanted a factual answer to consider, but I gave you it anyway. If you want to get educated on the issue...research it, it's not that tough. If you truly wanted to know about the process you would find out for yourself rather than taking others word for it. Did you listen to the testimony from the fella answering to the trumped up and inflammatory comments made about him to the commission about his "hidden agenda" and "friends in high places"? Rhetorical question because obviously you didn't. Did you look into how the rule review request process works? Again, rhetorical.

As for name calling and such, your just showing that you haven't really read this thread. I have kept that out of how I have interacted with guys on the opposite side of the issue... even when the same is not extended to me. I can attack an issue without attacking the person. I will however hold folks accountable for the things they say that are simply not true. Spreading misinformation is something I simply can't stomach. If you truly want the facts, find them for yourself, then you can make a decision based on what you know rather than what you've heard.

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Re: Down goes illuminated nocks!
« Reply #291 on: May 01, 2012, 10:11:22 PM »
Quote from: link=topic=96267.msg1256289#msg1256289 date=1335902193

That comes across as a diversion...steers the reader to consider the gloom and doom prophesy of lost broadheads being stepped on and causing injury.

 Says the man using "doom and gloom" tactics to equate luminoks with lost days in the field, oh the hypocrisy of it all! :chuckle:

Egads, phool, I took the diversion page from your book...(post #263) :chuckle:

 Nice try snapshot. :chuckle:
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Re: Down goes illuminated nocks!
« Reply #292 on: May 02, 2012, 12:54:43 AM »
Matt, that is how they make the numbers look more equal to the MF hunters. Allow archers to take more cows but provide MF with a ton more antlered opportunities. The complaint of archers taking more mature bulls is even more bogus.

I think your topic deserves it's own thread, it's a good one and right on point! I think a consensus topic but planning requests for next year would be a positive conversation to start. Post it, I'll jump in.

I will however find time for both issues... and not just to piss and moan.

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Re: Down goes illuminated nocks!
« Reply #293 on: May 02, 2012, 07:33:18 AM »
As for name calling and such, your just showing that you haven't really read this thread. I have kept that out of how I have interacted with guys on the opposite side of the issue... even when the same is not extended to me. I can attack an issue without attacking the person. I will however hold folks accountable for the things they say that are simply not true. Spreading misinformation is something I simply can't stomach. If you truly want the facts, find them for yourself, then you can make a decision based on what you know rather than what you've heard.

I wasn't refering to you or any one person.  So don't take things too seriously or rhetorically.  Aren't you a board member of an archery org?
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Re: Down goes illuminated nocks!
« Reply #294 on: May 02, 2012, 10:35:01 AM »
As for name calling and such, your just showing that you haven't really read this thread. I have kept that out of how I have interacted with guys on the opposite side of the issue... even when the same is not extended to me. I can attack an issue without attacking the person. I will however hold folks accountable for the things they say that are simply not true. Spreading misinformation is something I simply can't stomach. If you truly want the facts, find them for yourself, then you can make a decision based on what you know rather than what you've heard.

I wasn't refering to you or any one person.  So don't take things too seriously or rhetorically.  Aren't you a board member of an archery org?

It was a direct reply to one of my posts so it was hard to see how it wasn't directed to me. If you want to direct a comment on a thread to everyone, just post it as a reply, rather than a reply to a quote. That may help avoid any misunderstanding.

No, I'm not a board member in an archery org.       

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Re: Down goes illuminated nocks!
« Reply #295 on: May 02, 2012, 12:09:37 PM »
As for name calling and such, your just showing that you haven't really read this thread. I have kept that out of how I have interacted with guys on the opposite side of the issue... even when the same is not extended to me. I can attack an issue without attacking the person. I will however hold folks accountable for the things they say that are simply not true. Spreading misinformation is something I simply can't stomach. If you truly want the facts, find them for yourself, then you can make a decision based on what you know rather than what you've heard.

I wasn't refering to you or any one person.  So don't take things too seriously or rhetorically.  Aren't you a board member of an archery org?

It was a direct reply to one of my posts so it was hard to see how it wasn't directed to me. If you want to direct a comment on a thread to everyone, just post it as a reply, rather than a reply to a quote. That may help avoid any misunderstanding.
     

You're a pretty fart smeller.  I would have assumed that someone reading it would have seen that I addressed your comment with the bold highlight and then in a seperate paragragh it was seperately addressing the not needed snide comments.  :dunno:  But hey.  Thanks for the posting tutorial it will definately help with future postings.  :chuckle:
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Re: Down goes illuminated nocks!
« Reply #296 on: May 02, 2012, 01:00:55 PM »
As for all the name calling and what not c'mon gow up. 

Wasn't it you that just posted this? C'mon man, your better than that.  :dunno:

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Re: Down goes illuminated nocks!
« Reply #297 on: May 02, 2012, 02:36:22 PM »
This thread and a certain individual that keeps stirring the pot is like a case of bad hemroids, or so I have heard.

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Re: Down goes illuminated nocks!
« Reply #298 on: May 02, 2012, 02:54:16 PM »

Wasn't it you that just posted this? C'mon man, your better than that.  :dunno:

That wasn't name calling.  Come on didn't you see the little guy laughin.  I just thought that it was funny how you was giving me lessons on proper posting.  Now can we get back to arguin nocks.  8)
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Re: Down goes illuminated nocks!
« Reply #299 on: May 02, 2012, 11:39:54 PM »

Wasn't it you that just posted this? C'mon man, your better than that.  :dunno:

That wasn't name calling.  Come on didn't you see the little guy laughin.  I just thought that it was funny how you was giving me lessons on proper posting.  Now can we get back to arguin nocks.  8)

Not a lesson, mere suggestion to avoid misunderstanding for future conversation. Putting a  :chuckle: doesn't automatically make something funny.
That said, what would you like to discuss. I think at this point all the misinformation has been called out and dispelled.

   

 

 


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