Down goes illuminated nocks!

[Machias]

huntnphool, is there anything in archery equipment you can't support?  If so why?  What if someone else wants it?  Where does it end?

TF, Sorry bud I thought you were asking why we didn't want to support them.  I didn't say anything about your post count or your years in archery.   Yes I have my idea of what is right and what is wrong, sorry that happens to you when you're old and cranky.   

So you guys would be for doing away with all equipment regulations, correct?

I do not support laser sights, scopes, bow mounted range finders but would support a camera that had no viewfinder for the archer.

So why should those not be allowed?  Because you have drawn a line in your mind.  So have people in opposition of lighted nocks, but the lines just don't match up.

Where do you stop?  Expanding broadheads, laser rangefinder on bow, overdraws, etc...?

i didn't say they shouldn't be allowed did I, I said I would not support it.

  Careful someone will call you stubborn and out of touch.

[huntnphool]

huntnphool, is there anything in archery equipment you can't support?  If so why?  What if someone else wants it?  Where does it end?

TF, Sorry bud I thought you were asking why we didn't want to support them.  I didn't say anything about your post count or your years in archery.   Yes I have my idea of what is right and what is wrong, sorry that happens to you when you're old and cranky.   

So you guys would be for doing away with all equipment regulations, correct?

I do not support laser sights, scopes, bow mounted range finders but would support a camera that had no viewfinder for the archer.

So why should those not be allowed?  Because you have drawn a line in your mind.  So have people in opposition of lighted nocks, but the lines just don't match up.

Where do you stop?  Expanding broadheads, laser rangefinder on bow, overdraws, etc...?

i didn't say they shouldn't be allowed did I, I said I would not support it.

  Careful someone will call you stubborn and out of touch.

i would never argue "stubborn"

[JPhelps]

huntnphool, is there anything in archery equipment you can't support?  If so why?  What if someone else wants it?  Where does it end?

TF, Sorry bud I thought you were asking why we didn't want to support them.  I didn't say anything about your post count or your years in archery.   Yes I have my idea of what is right and what is wrong, sorry that happens to you when you're old and cranky.   

So you guys would be for doing away with all equipment regulations, correct?

I do not support laser sights, scopes, bow mounted range finders but would support a camera that had no viewfinder for the archer.

So why should those not be allowed?  Because you have drawn a line in your mind.  So have people in opposition of lighted nocks, but the lines just don't match up.

Where do you stop?  Expanding broadheads, laser rangefinder on bow, overdraws, etc...?

i didn't say they shouldn't be allowed did I, I said I would not support it.

Ok, I don't support lighted nocks

I don't have an argument against them besides the slowing down of techonology advancement in the archery hunting world.

[jackelope]

Yep 34 years of bowhunting, totally clueless. 


TF do you rifle hunt?  Use tracer rounds?  How in the world do you know where you hit your animal or when to start recovery/tracking?  That's right you go to the spot where the animal was standing and you read sign.

One last thing. Just cause you have been bow hunting for 30+ years or have 10,000+ plus posts doesnt mean you right or you know better. It likely means your just stubborn and opposed to change.

TF--
Let the post count thing go. It has no bearing on this debate or any other debate on here. An admitted joke was made a few days ago about post count in a conversation you were involved in. It has nothing to do with this.  No need to dwell on it. This has been Machias' stance on this issue since longing before he had zero posts.

[jackelope]

huntnphool, is there anything in archery equipment you can't support?  If so why?  What if someone else wants it?  Where does it end?

TF, Sorry bud I thought you were asking why we didn't want to support them.  I didn't say anything about your post count or your years in archery.   Yes I have my idea of what is right and what is wrong, sorry that happens to you when you're old and cranky.   

So you guys would be for doing away with all equipment regulations, correct?

I do not support laser sights, scopes, bow mounted range finders but would support a camera that had no viewfinder for the archer.

So why should those not be allowed?  Because you have drawn a line in your mind.  So have people in opposition of lighted nocks, but the lines just don't match up.

Where do you stop?  Expanding broadheads, laser rangefinder on bow, overdraws, etc...?

I used to shoot an overdraw 25 years ago. That's old school, Phelps.

[huntnphool]

Yep 34 years of bowhunting, totally clueless. 


TF do you rifle hunt?  Use tracer rounds?  How in the world do you know where you hit your animal or when to start recovery/tracking?  That's right you go to the spot where the animal was standing and you read sign.

One last thing. Just cause you have been bow hunting for 30+ years or have 10,000+ plus posts doesnt mean you right or you know better. It likely means your just stubborn and opposed to change.

This has been Machias' stance on this issue since longing before he had zero posts.

And just for the record he was wrong back then too, sorry Fred.

[Chase 1]

Think about getting lighted nocks and that being what it takes to give traditional archers their own season....as in splitting current dates for archery ( modern ), into two seasons.  If you put your ear to the ground TF, thats what the talk has been for several years.....its a change in how they look at modern archery tackle and its being categorized as primative.  Trad gear will .get their own primative season, and modern archers will loose up to half their season to accommodate a new trad season.

DOes that illuminate things for you

 and

From what Ive heard from those in the know, compounds will be modern, trad gear and recurves will get their own season.....if the envelope keeps getting pushed. Its a very real possibility.

Not sure who you know in the know that knows how this goes...           but that is complete garbage! Quit it! Enough with drumming up anything you can come up with to shock people into somehow, someway changing their mind.

Let's be honest here, this issue is already decided in the mind of every person posting in this thread. Most are ok with it or want it and a few aren't. But please... quit throwing every piece of nonsense you can come up with against the tread and think it is going to stick!   

[Rainier10]

 I hope that when this does get passed everyone that is for it is just as passionate and writes lots of letters to the WDFW about not changing the seasons. Because I guaranty when the archers get their way and quiet down the modern firearms guys will definitely be asking for either better/longer seasons for themselves or shorter seasons for archers.  Their argument will be "look how much technology is on that bow."  There are way more modern firearms guys to be a squeaky wheel and they will get the attention of the commission.  Archers will be able to argue "hey the technology doesn't help me before the shot" but they won't be able to say the equipment is not more advanced than it was without a lighted nock because it is more advanced.

Instead of the majority of complaints being archers asking for lighted nocks the new majority will be the modern firearm guys saying archers have an unfair advantage.  It won't matter if they have a good argument or not they will be loud and heard and probably get their way as the new majority complainers.

Right now the modern guys aren't saying anything because they think the issue is dead and most haven't seen the new proposals or have any idea this is still alive.  When they do get word of it watch out.

[turkeyfeather]

huntnphool, is there anything in archery equipment you can't support?  If so why?  What if someone else wants it?  Where does it end?

TF, Sorry bud I thought you were asking why we didn't want to support them.  I didn't say anything about your post count or your years in archery.   Yes I have my idea of what is right and what is wrong, sorry that happens to you when you're old and cranky.   

So you guys would be for doing away with all equipment regulations, correct?

I do not support laser sights, scopes, bow mounted range finders but would support a camera that had no viewfinder for the archer.

So why should those not be allowed?  Because you have drawn a line in your mind.  So have people in opposition of lighted nocks, but the lines just don't match up.

Where do you stop?  Expanding broadheads, laser rangefinder on bow, overdraws, etc...?

i didn't say they shouldn't be allowed did I, I said I would not support it.

  Careful someone will call you stubborn and out of touch.

Oh come on. I didn't directly call you stubborn. I said that maybe the stance against the nocks was maybe a bit stubborn.

[turkeyfeather]

Yep 34 years of bowhunting, totally clueless. 


TF do you rifle hunt?  Use tracer rounds?  How in the world do you know where you hit your animal or when to start recovery/tracking?  That's right you go to the spot where the animal was standing and you read sign.

One last thing. Just cause you have been bow hunting for 30+ years or have 10,000+ plus posts doesnt mean you right or you know better. It likely means your just stubborn and opposed to change.

TF--
Let the post count thing go. It has no bearing on this debate or any other debate on here. An admitted joke was made a few days ago about post count in a conversation you were involved in. It has nothing to do with this.  No need to dwell on it. This has been Machias' stance on this issue since longing before he had zero posts.

Jackelope- I completely understand that. It was supposed to be kind of a tounge in cheek type of thing. Unfortunately that doesn't always come across in text.

[huntnphool]

I hope that when this does get passed everyone that is for it is just as passionate and writes lots of letters to the WDFW about not changing the seasons. Because I guaranty when the archers get their way and quiet down the modern firearms guys will definitely be asking for either better/longer seasons for themselves

And what is wrong with them pushing to get their season dates back? There season was not shortened to give more dates to archers, nor was the archery season shortened to extend the general.

This is a prime example of pitting one user group against the other and causing division, why should one group care what the other petitions for if it has no relevance to their season/regulations. Unbelievable!!!

[Machias]

huntnphool, is there anything in archery equipment you can't support?  If so why?  What if someone else wants it?  Where does it end?

TF, Sorry bud I thought you were asking why we didn't want to support them.  I didn't say anything about your post count or your years in archery.   Yes I have my idea of what is right and what is wrong, sorry that happens to you when you're old and cranky.   

So you guys would be for doing away with all equipment regulations, correct?

I do not support laser sights, scopes, bow mounted range finders but would support a camera that had no viewfinder for the archer.

So why should those not be allowed?  Because you have drawn a line in your mind.  So have people in opposition of lighted nocks, but the lines just don't match up.

Where do you stop?  Expanding broadheads, laser rangefinder on bow, overdraws, etc...?

i didn't say they shouldn't be allowed did I, I said I would not support it.

  Careful someone will call you stubborn and out of touch.

Oh come on. I didn't directly call you stubborn. I said that maybe the stance against the nocks was maybe a bit stubborn.

Hey no worries, I took no offense, I realize both sides of this issue are passionate about their point of view. 

[Machias]

Yep 34 years of bowhunting, totally clueless. 


TF do you rifle hunt?  Use tracer rounds?  How in the world do you know where you hit your animal or when to start recovery/tracking?  That's right you go to the spot where the animal was standing and you read sign.

One last thing. Just cause you have been bow hunting for 30+ years or have 10,000+ plus posts doesnt mean you right or you know better. It likely means your just stubborn and opposed to change.

This has been Machias' stance on this issue since longing before he had zero posts.

And just for the record he was wrong back then too, sorry Fred.

At least I'm consistently wrong!!   

[jackelope]

TF-
10-4

[huntnphool]

Yep 34 years of bowhunting, totally clueless. 


TF do you rifle hunt?  Use tracer rounds?  How in the world do you know where you hit your animal or when to start recovery/tracking?  That's right you go to the spot where the animal was standing and you read sign.

One last thing. Just cause you have been bow hunting for 30+ years or have 10,000+ plus posts doesnt mean you right or you know better. It likely means your just stubborn and opposed to change.

This has been Machias' stance on this issue since longing before he had zero posts.

And just for the record he was wrong back then too, sorry Fred.

At least I'm consistently wrong!!   

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